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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Starship Freak</b> <br /><small>Member # 293</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,1,2,16,26,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">February 02, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:26 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Has anybody noticed that there appear to exist 4 variants of the Miranda-class.<BR>Check out my page: <A HREF="http://w1.314.telia.com/~u31412332/startrek/ships2.htm" TARGET=_blank>http://w1.314.telia.com/~u31412332/startrek/ships2.htm</A> <BR>All those stylized pics were scanned from the ST:E.<BR>Any thoughts?<P>------------------<BR>"The Starships of the Federation are the physical, tangible manifestations of Humanity�s stubborn insistence that life does indeed mean something."<BR> Spock to Leonard McCoy in "Final Frontier"<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Aban Rune</b> <br /><small>Member # 226</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,1,2,16,56,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">February 02, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:56 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I don't know what the ship listed as Miranda Refit 3 is (it appears to be almost identical to the Lantree type refit) but the rest are simply equipment variations of the Miranda Class.<P>Just like the Excelsior Class has a version with extra equipment added, namely the Lakota and the Ent. B.<P>What's your question?<P>------------------<BR>"A gathering of Angels appeared above my head. They sang to me this song of hope, and this is what they said..." -Styx<P>Aban's Illustration <A HREF="http://www.thespeakeasy.com/alanfore" TARGET=_blank>www.thespeakeasy.com/alanfore<P></A> <BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs</b> <br /><small>Member # 239</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,1,2,17,8,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">February 02, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:08 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The Picture you have for Variant #1 is not a real picture from the Encyclopedia. The Nacelle looks way different than the other nacelles.<P>The picture you have for 'Variant #3' is actually #1.<P><BR>------------------<BR>I bet when Neanderthal kids would make a snowman, someone would<BR>always end up saying "Don't forget the big heavy eyebrows." Then they would all get embarrassed because they remembered they had the big hunky eyebrows too, and then they would get mad and eat the snowman.<P>-Jack Handey<p>[This message has been edited by Ultra Magnus (edited February 02, 2000).] <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Starship Freak</b> <br /><small>Member # 293</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,1,3,4,8,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">February 03, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:08 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> My question is if anyone has seen my variant three onscreen? And thanks for pointing out that my variant 1 isn�t right, I�ll add the right one soon, but as far as I can see it�s not the nacelle thats wrong, but rather that something is missing from the main body.<P>------------------<BR>"The Starships of the Federation are the physical, tangible manifestations of Humanity�s stubborn insistence that life does indeed mean something."<BR> Spock to Leonard McCoy in "Final Frontier"<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>nx001a</b> <br /><small>Member # 291</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,1,3,4,10,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">February 03, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:10 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> At present there is the original miranda class and there are two variants in use by Starfleet. The type III you identified is the same as the type I. The original miranda class is the USS Reliant ie with the roll bar while variant I is the Lantree sans rollbar. The final variant is the Saratoga seen in the Emissary(DS9). <P>------------------<BR>"We set sail on this new sea because their is new knowledge to be gained and new rights to be won" John F Kennedy<P> <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/mfwan/index.htm" TARGET=_blank>members.aol.com/mfwan/index.htm</A> <P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Timo</b> <br /><small>Member # 245</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,1,3,6,33,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">February 03, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:33 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> However, what about USS Brattain, aka USS Brittain? The Fact Files claim that this ship has the extra "side sponsons" of Sisko's Saratoga, plus the rollbar. The Encylopedia shows a ship without side sponsons but also incorrectly without a rollbar.<P>Did the Brattain have extra detail scabbed onto it for "Night Terrors", or is the Fact Files info erroneous? And what do those odd horizontal bars on the nacelle pylons, the ones that differentiate pIn'a'Sov's variants 1 and 3, really look like?<P>I haven't seen "Night Terrors", and photographs of the model or screencaps of the ship have so far been inconclusive. The Brattain does not seem to have the full side sponsons of the Saratoga, but it is possible she has the strange three horizontal bars on the side of each pylon.<P>Timo Saloniemi <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>nx001a</b> <br /><small>Member # 291</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,1,3,7,48,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">February 03, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:48 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The episode of night terrors show the Brattain with a rollbar therefore no matter what the encyclopedia says its a miranda class original.<P>------------------<BR>"We set sail on this new sea because their is new knowledge to be gained and new rights to be won" John F Kennedy<P> <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/mfwan/index.htm" TARGET=_blank>members.aol.com/mfwan/index.htm</A> <P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Timo</b> <br /><small>Member # 245</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,1,3,8,7,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">February 03, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:07 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> But does it have anything extra on the nacelle pylons?<P>Timo Saloniemi <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Aethelwer</b> <br /><small>Member # 36</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,1,3,10,21,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">February 03, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:21 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <A HREF="http://frankg.dgne.com/misc/brattain.jpg" TARGET=_blank>http://frankg.dgne.com/misc/brattain.jpg</A> <P>------------------<BR><A HREF="http://frankg.dgne.com/" TARGET=_blank>Frank's Home Page</A><BR>John Linnell: "This song is called...it's called..."<BR>Audience: "Louisiana! Montana!"<BR>John Linnell: Don't tell <I>me</I> what it's called..." <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Aban Rune</b> <br /><small>Member # 226</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,1,3,10,48,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">February 03, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:48 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Looks exactly like the Reliant to me.<P>------------------<BR>"A gathering of Angels appeared above my head. They sang to me this song of hope, and this is what they said..." -Styx<P>Aban's Illustration <A HREF="http://www.thespeakeasy.com/alanfore" TARGET=_blank>www.thespeakeasy.com/alanfore<P></A> <BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>nx001a</b> <br /><small>Member # 291</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,1,3,12,29,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">February 03, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:29 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The Brattain looks like an Original Miranda Class Starship. The Warp Nacelles look the same as the USS Reliant and it has the roll bar on top. There is nothing else different about it apart fro mhaving less crew than the reliant.<P>------------------<BR>"We set sail on this new sea because their is new knowledge to be gained and new rights to be won" John F Kennedy<P> <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/mfwan/index.htm" TARGET=_blank>members.aol.com/mfwan/index.htm</A> <P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Trip Tucker</b> <br /><small>Member # 297</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,1,3,23,47,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">February 03, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:47 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> It's exactly like the Reliant-roll bar, no pods jutting from the sides, aside from the crew amount difference of the two ships, they might as well be sister ships.<BR>The U.S.S. Saratoga was ugly in my opinion-give me a rollbar anyday (might explain my love for the Akira...)<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> <br /><small>Member # 31</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,1,3,23,49,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">February 03, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:49 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I'm thinking that your "variant #3" is actaully a mistake from the encyclopedia. Those horizontal bars are almost surely something that was part of the <i>Saratoga</i> variant only. They were probably somehow accidentally added to the <i>Lantree</i> variant diagram, also. I would say that the daigram you have listed as "variant #1" is the correct <i>Lantree</i> variant, and #3 is just a screwed-up version of the same.<P>------------------<BR>Col. Maybourne: "Teal'c... It's good to see you well."<BR>Teal'c: "In my culture, I would be well within my rights to dismember you."<BR>-<I>Stargate SG-1</I>: "Touchstone" <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Starship Freak</b> <br /><small>Member # 293</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,1,4,4,59,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">February 04, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:59 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Yeah, I think I agree, the ST:E is in error, how unusual ;-)<P>------------------<BR>"The Starships of the Federation are the physical, tangible manifestations of Humanity�s stubborn insistence that life does indeed mean something."<BR> Spock to Leonard McCoy in "Final Frontier"<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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