One thing that really took me by surprise was the armament. I don't know the exact specifications on the constellation's weapons-grid (so much non-canon garbage floating around), but on this particular 3d-model I found TWO separate torpedo-launcher's, placed in the "joints" of the nacelle-pairs.
Now, I know Picard didn't speek highly of said class in his ship-discussion with Capt. Montgomery Scott (he just missed it), and the general specification of it seems to be "crappy scout/science-ship".
I still feel though, that if one of it's kind could have survived to 2375 and be refitted with newer engines, shields, software, weapons-upgrades etc. etc. it could still be one hell of a ship!
Thoughts??? (Both personal and professional)
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An arboretum? On the Defiant?
If you were any other man I would kill you where you stand!
(Worf "The Last Straw")
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Show me the meaning of being lonely
Is this the feeling, I need to walk in
Tell me why I can't be there where you are
There's something missing in my heart
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If you look closely the Torpedo Tubes are also there , I'm gona look much deeper at the screen caps and see if i can make it out on the model.
Oh hey Nimrod whats the name of that Viewer Program ?, i've been looking for somthing like that for a while.
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"Marge .. Do you have other men in this House ? .. Radioactive men?"
~Homer "The Simpsons"
Jupiter Station , Starfleet Research & Development
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Col. Maybourne: "Teal'c... It's good to see you well."
Teal'c: "In my culture, I would be well within my rights to dismember you."
-Stargate SG-1: "Touchstone"
especially in the windows and the nacelles - just somethings I wish CGI artists would address... anyway - nice pic.
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"...it might be easier to study
ancient societies from distant orbit than it might be to sit next to the
Guardian of Forever with a tricorder." - Baloo, January 2000
It's a really great browser that can show any file format, even Quake3-models!
My advice is, go to www.swma.net (Star Wars Modelling Alliance) they have some good sh*t there, man, they could fix you up, man...
And for Star Trek: http://trekmeshes.starfleet.ch/
Does anyone have any other links that are good??
Maybe now this thread belongs in "Design, Artwork and Creativity"???
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Imagine the USS Constellation with photon/quantum torpedoes, Type-9 phasers, some abblative armor, upgraded computer and power systems!
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Sometimes I run
Sometimes I hide
Sometimes I'm scared of you
But all I really want is to hold you tight
Treat you right, be with you day and night
Baby all I need is time
-Britney Spears
About the torp-launchers, I found the pictures of the studio-model, with favourable angles of it! I have the pics here, can some samaritan soul spare 128 Kb of diskspace?
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Ross: "Inter arma, enim silent leges."
Bashir: "'In the time of war the law falls silent.' Cicero. Have we become a 24th-century Rome, driven by the fact that Caesar can do no wrong?!"
-Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges
I agree this class could have kicked some dommie booty , those four torp launchers would have been a sight to behold.
Sure ,Send them over Nimrod , Im doing a write up on the class for my website anyway , may i use them ?
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"Marge .. Do you have other men in this House ? .. Radioactive men?"
~Homer "The Simpsons"
Jupiter Station , Starfleet Research & Development
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I was thinking of also sending some images of the 3d-model I found on Sci-Fi Art, but seeing as I don't have the complete list of copyright-references to go I think it's best if you go there and get the model yourself! Isn't that the order of things, Fabrux? Or does it suffice with just saying "from sci-fi art"?
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Ross: "Inter arma, enim silent leges."
Bashir: "'In the time of war the law falls silent.' Cicero. Have we become a 24th-century Rome, driven by the fact that Caesar can do no wrong?!"
-Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges
So, for those who didn't know, these pictures confirm that the constellation-class has a double set of torpedo-launchers:
http://fabrux.virtualave.net/misc/exp.jpg http://fabrux.virtualave.net/misc/exp2.jpg
These are pictures of the actual model used in the series.
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I found a nice homepage talking about ol' connie-class and it said it had a total inventory of 80 torpedos, 40 for the dorsal launcher, 40 for the ventral.
So the OLD launcher from the Constitution-class could fire torpedos in .5-sec intervals. What would the fire-rate be from BOTH torpedo-tubes, and both launchers on the constellation-class? 8 torp's/second or just past FUBR! That would mean that IF it could fire-link the launchers, it could empty the banks in ten seconds. And if the tubes would fire in a cycle, not simultaneously, it would fire at a cyclic rate of 480 rpm, like a machine-gun!!!
This fits perfectly into the equation if the other information is correct. I'm talking about the famous battle of Maxia, where the USS stargazer was ambushed by a ferengi cruiser. After listening to the subspace-transmission in the episode, one could gather that the Fed's waited until the last moment to defend themselves. So when Picard pulled his manouver he only needed a second to unload 8 torps on the enemy.
Now, why they chose to forever place the connie in the "crappy but nostalgic"-group and not the "aged but lethal"-group is beyond me.
Although I haven't seen "Peak Performance", where the Hathaway engaged in battle-drills with the Enterprise-D.
I think that ep shows a lot of constellation, so I will try to buy it.
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I edited the image above to show them. What do you think ? any theories?
As for the Sci-fi art mesh , On the site they say that the Public Domain Meshes are for our use , they only say to credit them for making them so i think "From Sci-fi art shold be enough.
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"Marge .. Do you have other men in this House ? .. Radioactive men?"
~Homer "The Simpsons"
Jupiter Station , Starfleet Research & Development
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7 alarm clock: "Do not touch me."
Dilbert: "Then how do I turn you off?"
7: "Believe me, I am plenty turned off."
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~Homer "The Simpsons"
Jupiter Station , Starfleet Research & Development
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"Forgive me if I don't share your euphoria!" (Weyoun to Dukat, Tears of the Prophets)
Dax's Ships of STAR TREK
The shots (IIRC):
-L snaps up towards D, opens up with (lower?) saucer emitters. Interior pictures as more shots hit D.
-D rolls over the saucer, firing with pulse phasers and a dorsal turret, L responds with saucertop main phasers
-D continues towards the camera, L fires a beam from the starboard side of the impulse housing (no real emitter here in the model, but one can't tell that from the picture)
-D fires aft torpedo and withdraws, and I think L fires ventral secondary hull phasers as a parting shot
-D flies along the length of L from bow to stern, raking with pulse phasers. L fires from between impulse crystals (no real emitter, but difficult to see) and the bulge between the nacelle pylons (no real emitter, and this is easier to see).
So while a typical E-B style ship has 20 emitters in
5+5 twin mounts on the saucer, a quad mount on ventral secondary hull, and possibly two twin mounts straddling the shuttlebay (according to the "Generations" MSD if not the model), the Lakota apparently adds at least four emitters (two on the impulse deck sides, one atop the impulse housing, one between nacelles). Only the 2 forward torp tubes are apparent, but stern tubes undoubtedly exist as well (presumably in those tailpipe-like protrusions just under the fantail)
The Constellations in turn have 3+3 twin saucer turrets and five additional single turrets on dorsal saucer surface (although we never see any of them fire). I'm still not sure whether there are 2 or 4 torp tubes - the upper ones seem highly suspect, since the lower ones are so obviously taken directly from the Constitution model but the upper ones must be customized if they exist. And the modelmakers didn't even bother to paint the obvious lower ones correctly.
Timo Saloniemi
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Aban's Illustration www.thespeakeasy.com/alanfore
Elaborate, why does the upper constellation-launcher need to be customized?
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He has lots of cool stuff .
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~Homer "The Simpsons"
Jupiter Station , Starfleet Research & Development
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Aban's Illustration www.thespeakeasy.com/alanfore
Heres a shot of those Phaser "knobs" in action , I like that word nice job Nimrod :-)
The Constellation most likely has a few of these as well , i think a can see a few scattered around the bottom of the Saucer , as for the top I think I see there are two near the front of the Saucer.
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"Marge .. Do you have other men in this House ? .. Radioactive men?"
~Homer "The Simpsons"
Jupiter Station , Starfleet Research & Development
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"We're going to take a five minute break...we'll be back in twenty minutes." - John Linnell
As for the Lakota, it's probably another variant on the Excelsior class. It was being refitted before it's attack on the Defiant.
So let's see, we have 4 variants on the Excelsior.
1) ST3, ST4 appearance. Was it in ST5?
2) ST6 appearance and most likely the variant we see in TNG (twin impulse deflection crystals, different bridge, and shuttlebay section)
3) E-B
4) Lakota, E-B design with extra phaser banks and possibly a different paint scheme. And I think the impulse deflection crystals are a different color. Weren't they blue on the E-B?
Also I think those two protrusions on the neck may be phaser cannons and apparantly the E-B has escape pods according to the MSD, though no pods or hatches can be seen on the saucer of the model.
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Lisa: "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet."
Bart: "Not if you called them 'stench blossoms'..."
-The Simpsons
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7 alarm clock: "Do not touch me."
Dilbert: "Then how do I turn you off?"
7: "Believe me, I am plenty turned off."
And who aid Starfleet doesn't believe in mechanized ground combat? The Constellation comes complete with two gigantic combat droids on the ventral surface!
PopMaze: The TNG Excelsiors actually were of the single-crystal variety, mostly (the stock footage having been filmed using the ST3 version of the ship). DS9 ships in turn are exclusively of the twin-crystal version (either filmed on the model built for "Flashback" or rendered as CGI).
Timo Saloniemi
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[Obi Wan-speak]
These aren't the droids you're looking for...
[/Obi Wan-speak]
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"Replicate some marmalade, Commander - helm control is toast!"
Though because we never see the upper saucer of the Excelsiors in TNG, we can never be sure of which type it is.
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7 alarm clock: "Do not touch me."
Dilbert: "Then how do I turn you off?"
7: "Believe me, I am plenty turned off."
As for aft weaponry, there are some pictures of the stern in "Peak Performance" but all the screencaps I have seen are of too poor a quality to make observations. They seem to indicate a smooth, flat wall, however.
Traditionally, Starfleet ships have had extremely weak rear armament overall. Perhaps their engine configurations somehow necessitate this? It is unlikely there would be aft torpedo tubes (unless they are behind protective hatches, which doesn't seem to be typical of post-TOS vessels). There could be some phaser turrets there, though. I'm still wondering if the Mirandas have two single aft turrets below the impulse nozzles, as implied by some photos...
And PopMaze: I'd be happy to accept two parallel versions of the Excelsiors, equal in impulse performance despite different number of impulse crystals. There might be some tradeoffs between one big crystal and two small ones, but those only make life so much more interesting...
Timo Saloniemi
OTOH, there may be additional phaser emitters in the horizontal parts of the nacelles, if the small knobs in this picture can be interpreted as such - the paint scheme isn't obvious from the pictures, so I don't know if the typical yellow-brown was applied here.
Apparently, a featureless flat wall covers the hole in "Peak Performance". Like so many other Starfleet ships, the Connie simply has to make a tight turn or a rapid acceleration if the enemy gets into her six-o'clock.
Timo Saloniemi
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Just checking...
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I guess one could just say it's a trade-off - in Connies, the engine assemblies block the whole aft hull so that no weapons can be internally fitted, and at that time, surface-mounted phaser strips were not yet available. That excuse doesn't hold for the lack of aft phasers in Sovereigns, but they have aft torps to compensate...
Timo Saloniemi
These ones were made with Tachy's Model.
-Devilman
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7 alarm clock: "Do not touch me."
Dilbert: "Then how do I turn you off?"
7: "Believe me, I am plenty turned off."
How about a "Temporary Dampening-Nullifier" that let's the Constellation float free in space so it can turn a 180 with thrusters while still travelling forward, like in Space: above and Beyond, and Babylon 5!
Then it could fire at the pursuers! I mean, we saw the Borg pull it off in "Scorpion" and that was in high warp, I'm talking about medium impulse, which seems to be the favoured fighting-speed in Trek.
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