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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>colin</b> <br /><small>Member # 217</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,4,9,21,48,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 09, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:48 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> "First Contact"<BR>DVD<BR>4. Engaging the Borg<BR>1:57 Borg ship seen entering into orbit above Earth.<BR>2:11 First Federation starship seen is the USS Defiant.<BR>2:13 Akira Class ship is seen destroyed. This is the first confirmed casuality of the battle. Last three digits of registry can be barely seen.<BR>2:14 Starship fragment. Class uncertain.<BR>2:15 Sabre Class is seen to left of Borg ship. Port nacelle is damaged and spewing particles, like the USS Reliant of ST:WOK.<BR>Ship is spinning clockwise.<BR>2:17 Akira Class starship is hit repeatedly by Borg weapons. Explosion in starboard aft, followed by a second explosion in starboard nacelle. Third explosion rends the ship apart. (One of the Mirandas can be seen from below. The words "NCC" can be briefly seen.)<BR>3:14 A starship of unknown class seen from the side is destroyed by a single Borg "missle".<BR>3:15 Steamrunner Class starship is seen being destroyed by a single Borg "missle".<BR>3:48 Sabre Class starship is seen being destroyed by a single Borg "missle". Hit is on the port side, aft.<BR>3:49 Steamrunner Class starship is seen being destroyed by a single Borg "missle". Hit is on the starboard side, aft.<BR>3:54 Steamrunner Class starship is seen adrift. Port forward saucer is destroyed.<BR>3:59 Steamrunner Class starship is destroyed by Borg "missle". Port side, aft.<BR>4:12 Last ship to be destroyed is Steamrunner Class starship. Starship is destroyed by shrapnel from exploding Borg ship. Hit is on ventral side.<BR>4:13 Akira Class starship is last starship to leave battlefield.<P>Number of ships destroyed (known):<BR>Akira Class, 2 ships<BR>Sabre Class, 2 ships<BR>Steamrunner Class, 5 ships<BR>Uncertain class, 2 ships<BR>Total: 11 ships<P>If I was in the battle, I would prefer to be aboard any class except the Steamrunner. Their shields appear to be weaker than the other starships and they seem to explode apart when hit.<P>------------------<BR><BR>takeoffs are optional; landings are mandatory <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>AndrewR</b> <br /><small>Member # 44</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,4,10,0,32,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 10, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:32 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Maybe a fleet of refitted Steamrunners came from their drydocks... and encountered the Borg first... that unknown ship you refer to I gather is the Norway class because that is the only other ship class you haven't mentioned...<P>Maybe Norways were also part of the refit or were accompanying the Steamrunners on a shakedown cruise...<P>------------------<BR>"Who wouldn't be the one you love <BR> Who wouldn't stand inside your love." - <I>Stand Inside Your Love</I>, The Smashing Pumpkins<P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Mikey T</b> <br /><small>Member # 144</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,4,10,1,21,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 10, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:21 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> There were Norways being blown to bits by the Borg also, especially the Norway on the left when the Cube blew apart. <P>------------------<BR>"Life's a bitch, then you die"<BR>-USS Luzon, Vanderbuilt Class starship<P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Saboc</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,4,10,3,20,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 10, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:20 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> By the way, if you are being offered a command and are given a chance to pick, which one will you choose: a Sabre class or a Norway class?<P>------------------<BR>The Doctor: "...with my heart, my experiences, and my soul..."<BR>Tincoo (sp): "...I have duplicated that too..."<P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Timo</b> <br /><small>Member # 245</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,4,10,3,56,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 10, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:56 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I'll be sure to apply for an Ambassador. That way I'll never see combat! (Or combat won't see me...)<P>Perhaps we could combine the evidently weak shields of the Steamrunners, and their extremely unconventional looks, and say that they aren't "real" starships. They could be auxiliary vessels of some sort - planetary assault transports or supply ships or even tugs or tenders - with minimal armament and weaker-than-usual shielding. They would be elemental in the war operations of DS9, since those long-range attacks require tankers/supply ships and those planetary conquest missions require assault carriers. But they would be intended to fight as a minor part of a big fleet, not in dogfight with a Borg cube.<P>Timo Saloniemi <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>nx001a</b> <br /><small>Member # 291</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,4,10,6,29,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 10, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:29 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I don't think it matters which ship one choses if you are nearby when the Borg invades. However, i prefer the norway to the sabre class.<P>------------------<BR>"We set sail on this new sea because their is new knowledge to be gained and new rights to be won" John F Kennedy<P> <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/mfwan/index.htm" TARGET=_blank>members.aol.com/mfwan/index.htm</A> <P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Michael Dracon</b> <br /><small>Member # 4</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,4,10,12,25,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 10, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:25 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I'd go for the Sabre. The Norway is #2 on my list of most ugly official Starfleet ships (the 'Shelley' is #1).<P>------------------<BR>Meddle not in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!<P>(-=\V/=-) <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Hobbes</b> <br /><small>Member # 138</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,4,10,15,14,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 10, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:14 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I like the Steamrunner design, the way the deflector dish hangs down from the back bothers me a bit, but otherwise it's one of my favorites.<P>------------------<BR><I>"If at first you don't succeed, skydiving isn't for you."</I><BR><A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/thefsd" TARGET=_blank>Federation Starship Datalink</A> - On that annoying Tripod server. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Aban Rune</b> <br /><small>Member # 226</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,4,10,15,39,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 10, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:39 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The Freedom Class as well as several of the others seen in the Wolf 359 graveyard beat the Shelley Class as ugliest ship in my book. I actually thought the Shelley was kind of cool and it was so nice to finally see a new ship...<P>------------------<BR>"A gathering of Angels appeared above my head. They sang to me this song of hope, and this is what they said..." -Styx<P>Aban's Illustration <A HREF="http://www.thespeakeasy.com/alanfore" TARGET=_blank>www.thespeakeasy.com/alanfore<P></A> <BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Gaseous Anomaly</b> <br /><small>Member # 114</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,4,10,15,52,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 10, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:52 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> *nods in agreement*<P>The <I>Freedom</I> was a crime against art, humanity, warp field design and Gene Roddenberry's "No odd-numbered nacelles!"<P>------------------<BR>Remember December '59<BR>The howling wind and the driving rain,<BR>Remember the gallant men who drowned<BR>On the lifeboat, Mona was her name.<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Basill</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,4,11,19,21,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 11, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:21 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Any idea what the identity of that debris is that passes in front of the screen right after the Defiant appears? It moves roughly from the bottom right to top left. It was clearly another casualty. I just wondered if it showed up better or froze well on DVD.<BR><P>------------------<BR>Just a thought...A grain of salt-season to taste-lather, rinse, repeat <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Jim Phelps</b> <br /><small>Member # 102</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,4,12,0,12,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 12, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:12 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I asked myself the same question a few months back, then discussed the matter with Bernd and Frank. Here are some images:<BR> <A HREF="http://www.adelphi.edu/~skrbicb/fcpiece1.jpg" TARGET=_blank>http://www.adelphi.edu/~skrbicb/fcpiece1.jpg</A> <A HREF="http://www.adelphi.edu/~skrbicb/fcpiece2.jpg" TARGET=_blank>http://www.adelphi.edu/~skrbicb/fcpiece2.jpg</A> <A HREF="http://www.adelphi.edu/~skrbicb/fcpiece.jpg" TARGET=_blank>http://www.adelphi.edu/~skrbicb/fcpiece.jpg</A> (this is from the Thirst Contact joke label in TNG Sketchbook, credit goes to Frank for spotting it)<P>There are several possibilities:<P>1) Forward half of a Steamrunner saucer, ventral view. We've never really seen what the Steamrunner bottom looks like, which makes it a possibility. Problem - the diamond pods are MUCH too large compared to the forward shuttlebay.<P>2) Forward half of a new starship's saucer, ventral view. Alex Jaeger talked about a Zandura-class science vessel that was designed but never made it to the final movie. We don't know whether the ship was CGI-modeled or not - it is possible that a debris piece is all that was left onscreen. <P>3) A generic piece of debris, thrown in for fun (well, from our point-of-view it's still a class, even though we don't know what it looks like).<P>Boris <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Basill</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,4,12,0,47,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 12, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:47 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Oh, so is this the "2:14 Starship fragment. Class uncertain" in your time table? I assume then that it is one of the 2 ships of uncertain class in the final list. Ah I get it now. Gosh, I can't wait to get a DVD.<P>------------------<BR>Just a thought...A grain of salt-season to taste-lather, rinse, repeat <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>colin</b> <br /><small>Member # 217</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,4,12,2,15,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 12, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:15 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The piece belongs on the chronology to 2:13-the Akira fragment-and I would change the entry accordingly to: "2:13 Starship fragment uncertain." Total number of destroyed ships is altered to Akira 1 and Unknown 3.<P>------------------<BR><BR>takeoffs are optional; landings are mandatory <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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