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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Starship Freak</b> <br /><small>Member # 293</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,7,17,9,23,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 17, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:23 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I�m curious, I have seen two types of skreean ships, but are there more? The only pic I�ve seen regarding the fleet is this: <A HREF="http://neutralzone.future.easyspace.com/AlienFleet/SkrreeanEmigrantShip03.htm" TARGET=_blank>http://neutralzone.future.easyspace.com/AlienFleet/SkrreeanEmigrantShip03.htm</A> <P>So, are they all just basically two types?<P>------------------<BR>"The Starships of the Federation are the physical, tangible manifestations of Humanity�s stubborn insistence that life does indeed mean something."<BR> Spock to Leonard McCoy in "Final Frontier"<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Nemesis</b> <br /><small>Member # 255</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,7,17,9,35,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 17, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:35 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Nope, i think not!<BR>This ship seems to be a hybrid:<BR>the front is unknown for me, but the rear is definitly the rear from one of this older subwarp-freighters seen in TNG (exp. the Batris) and the Xhosa (Kasidy Yates Ship from DS9).<P>BTW, where is Gothenburg in Sweden? Or is it swedisch for the german word G�teborg?<BR>I made my holiday in Sweden! Great Country!! I envy you!<P>------------------<BR>This is how i prefer the borg... in pieces!!! -- Janeway in Dark Frontier<P>Seventhworld, the new SciFi-Project <BR> <A HREF="http://www.seventhworld.de" TARGET=_blank>http://www.seventhworld.de</A> <BR> Soon to be featured StarTrek Nemesis<P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Starship Freak</b> <br /><small>Member # 293</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,7,17,9,49,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 17, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:49 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Oh, it�s "english" for G�teborg. I try to translate it since any englishspeaking would wonder about the letter �. And, thanks, I like living here, it�s great!<P>------------------<BR>"The Starships of the Federation are the physical, tangible manifestations of Humanity�s stubborn insistence that life does indeed mean something."<BR> Spock to Leonard McCoy in "Final Frontier"<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Nim</b> <br /><small>Member # 205</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,7,17,11,48,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 17, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:48 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> It's on the west coast, almost exactly opposite to Stockholm. I actually went there two weeks ago. Very nice, pIn'a', I like what you've done to the place. <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif"><P>------------------<BR>Ready for the action now, Dangerboy<BR>Ready if I'm ready for you, Dangerboy<BR>Ready if I want it now, Dangerboy?<BR>How dare you, dare you, Dangerboy?<BR>How dare you, Dangerboy?<BR>I dare you, dare you, Dangerboy...<P>�on Flux, "Thanatophobia"<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Dukhat</b> <br /><small>Member # 341</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,7,17,14,5,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 17, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:05 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Actually, here's some info about the Skreean ships from the DS9 Companion. It seems that all the background ships (the ones that you can't see all that well 'cause they're too far away) were kitbashed from model kit parts of airplanes, tanks, etc. Too bad no one took any photos of these...<P>------------------<BR>Bart: "Hey, Dad, I'll trade you this delicious doorstop for that crummy old danish."<BR>Homer: "Done and done...D'oh!"<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> <br /><small>Member # 31</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,7,17,15,53,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 17, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:53 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Interesting. I believe the episode w/ the Skrreeans was also the one where, if you turn on the closed captioning when they first board the station, they're saying things like "far out" and "groovy"... :-)<P>------------------<BR>"They might be the infamous buzzard collectors for what we know, grabbing hapless space avians so that they don't end up as smears in the windshield."<BR>-Timo Saloniemi, 16-Aug-2000 <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Starship Freak</b> <br /><small>Member # 293</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,7,18,3,47,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 18, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:47 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Dukhat: Hey, I didn�t know that, that would mean that we are seeing an unknown amount of new designs. It didn�t say how many, did it?<P>Nimrod: Thanks..I try..<P>------------------<BR>"The Starships of the Federation are the physical, tangible manifestations of Humanity�s stubborn insistence that life does indeed mean something."<BR> Spock to Leonard McCoy in "Final Frontier"<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Timo</b> <br /><small>Member # 245</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,7,18,6,33,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 18, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:33 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The ship on the foreground could be the Norkova turned upside down, instead of a customized variant. "The Passenger" has underside views of the Norkova that seem to match this topside. Timeline-wise, the model was last seen as the Norkova and would next become the Xhosa, so it would make sense for it to be in the Norkova configuration in "Sanctuary".<P>One could in this case argue that the Skreeans had purchased some Federation or at least Alphan ships to help with the evacuation, since this ship design is normally associated with Alpha freighters and AFAIK never ever seen in Gamma. (There's that one ship in Delta in "The Chute", though...)<P>Then again, the old Promellian ships seem to be utilized as native Skreean ships in "Sanctuary", so perhaps we cannot make the above statement. Or then the Skreean refugees rented that ship class from Alpha as well - perhaps from the Klingons who are seen using it in "Sons of Mogh"? I'm not sure I believe the Skreeans would have built any of those ships by themselves, given how they were portrayed as a rather monolithic agrarian culture. Their old enslavers (was it D'rogarians?) might of course have built and then abandoned those ships when the Dominion attacked.<P>Timo Saloniemi <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Nemesis</b> <br /><small>Member # 255</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,7,18,8,21,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 18, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:21 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Norkova? Never heard of it. Does anyone have a pic of it and knows which DS9 episode the ship appears?<P>------------------<BR>This is how i prefer the borg... in pieces!!! -- Janeway in Dark Frontier<P>Seventhworld, the new SciFi-Project <BR> <A HREF="http://www.seventhworld.de" TARGET=_blank>http://www.seventhworld.de</A> <BR> Soon to be featured StarTrek Nemesis<P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Starship Freak</b> <br /><small>Member # 293</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,7,18,8,37,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 18, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:37 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> But of course:<BR> <IMG SRC="http://w1.314.telia.com/~u31412332/scifi/norkova.jpg"> <P>------------------<BR>"The Starships of the Federation are the physical, tangible manifestations of Humanity�s stubborn insistence that life does indeed mean something."<BR> Spock to Leonard McCoy in "Final Frontier"<BR><p>[This message has been edited by pIn'a' Sov (edited August 18, 2000).] <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Nemesis</b> <br /><small>Member # 255</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,7,18,8,45,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 18, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:45 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well thanks!<BR>Looks like any other StarTrek-very-old-freighter.<BR>Must be some kind of modular design for the folks at the modell-department. I don't want to guess how often they have used this modell as freighter or reconfigured it for the same purpose.<P>------------------<BR>This is how i prefer the borg... in pieces!!! -- Janeway in Dark Frontier<P>Seventhworld, the new SciFi-Project <BR> <A HREF="http://www.seventhworld.de" TARGET=_blank>http://www.seventhworld.de</A> <BR> Soon to be featured StarTrek Nemesis<P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Dukhat</b> <br /><small>Member # 341</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,7,18,12,36,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 18, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:36 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> pIna'SoV: Sorry, they didn't say how many models they made. All the info about them was what I posted.<P>Timo: The Skreean's captors were the T-Rogorans. A member of that race features prominently in my own fan-fiction writings for a new series.<P>------------------<BR>Bart: "Hey, Dad, I'll trade you this delicious doorstop for that crummy old danish."<BR>Homer: "Done and done...D'oh!"<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Timo</b> <br /><small>Member # 245</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,7,25,8,16,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 25, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:16 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I'm stupid! (Here, now that's official...)<P>Of course the Skreean ship can't be an upside-down Norkova. The Norkova has those big containers hanging underneath, while the Skreean ship doesn't have them atop it. <P>Instead, the Skreean vessel appears to be the <i>Xhosa</i> turned upside down. For some reason, the freighter model was modified from Norkova to Xhosa between "The Passenger" and "Sanctuary". Was it just for the needs of "Sanctuary"? Quite intriguing, considering that the VFX folks had their hands full creating that big refugee fleet, and seemingly used the Promellian cruiser unmodified.<P>Could some other episode have required the model to be so reconfigured? Perhaps the ship was going to be used in some DS9 or even TNG episode predating "Sanctuary", but was dropped from the aired version of that episode?<P>Timo Saloniemi <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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