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Posted by colin (Member # 217) on :

According to the episode "Unimatrix Zero, Part Two", Tuvok was born on 38774. One little bitty problem-Tuvok's birth year is 2264. (Star Trek.com)

Would anyone care to explain?

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

Well. One thing you could say that startrek.com isn't legit.

Secondly I'm sure we heard Tuvok's age in "Flashback" So we can extrapolate the years to work out the correct age. If I can think of that in under a second... if they got it wrong in UM0... what is their problem.

Andrew

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

Of course, we could always say that Tuvok swallowed a dot. Stardate 3877.4 is a perfectly legitimate TOS stardate that would fall somewhere near the late 2260s. Not at 2264, though, since as per Okudaic counting that would be early TOS where stardates began with 1.

The likeliest birthday for Tuvok would be before 2271, since he was a commissioned Ensign in 2293 - one would suppose he entered the Academy at eighteen, and that would have to be at least four years before 2293. A 2264 birthday would mean Tuvok had spent seven years as Ensign, which is a bit much for a competent Vulcan.

OTOH, it is also possible that Tuvok entered at an earlier or later age than 18; there may be race-specific guidelines for entry age, and Vulcans might mature faster or slower than humans in the early years. Personally, I believe they mature slower, but that is not canonical and the Chronology speculates on an entry age of 18 for Spock. Then again, Spock was half human...

Timo Saloniemi

Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

Remember Vulcans aren't egocentric... so they mightn't care what rank the hold and for how ever long?

Andrew

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

If Vulcans look 35 at the age of 100 then they can't be fit for the Academy at 18 now can they?

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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :

Well, I would think that Vulcans only stop aging as fas as humans once they pass adolescence, or the Vulcan equivalent.

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Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :

Didn't Tuvok state his age as 29 (earth-years?) as of 2293?

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Posted by spyone on :

Despite Janeway's comments that Tuvok was "approaching 3 digits", the canon age for Tuvok in Season six was 112 earth years old. That would be in 2376. 2376-112=2264.

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Posted by Toadkiller (Member # 425) on :

Do we have any idea how old is elderly for a Vulcan? Sarek must have been close to 200 and his death was played as a premature result of an unusual disease....

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Sarek was elderly at (as I recall) over 200 years old.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

I don't think Sarek was supposed to be elderly, really. He only seemed that way because of the Bendii Syndrome.

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :

The upper limit is supposed t'be like 205 or so.

Just saw "Flashback" again. Yep, he said he was 29. And damn Brannon Braga for no continuity. "Commander Rand," indeed...!

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

What was "Commander" Rand supposed to be?

Also... didn't Paris and Co. try to guess Tuvok's age and he wasn't telling. Does that mean that if they had a Birthday for Tuvok (and I haven't seen the episode) then everyone foundout how old he was?

Andrew

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

Okay, so the majority of evidence points at 2264 now. SD 3877.4 is a tad high for that, but then again, perhaps our (Okuda's) dating of TOS is wrong?

The "big three digits" Tuvok was approaching could have been 123 instead of 100. After all, 100 isn't that much of a milestone for TNG-era humans who can live to 140. Perhaps 123 has been adopted as the "magic number" instead?

Or Janeway could have been good-naturedly protecting the personal secret of her friend by giving false information to the crew.

29 is a rather high age for an Ensign. No wonder Tuvok was somewhat disappointed with Starfleet. Seven years at the lowest rank... Kim is only approaching that now with the final season.

Timo Saloniemi

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Or maybe she meant he was approaching 100 Vulcan years.

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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :

Maybe Janeway was joking by picking a younger age. For instance, if someone is turning 60, you joke them and ask them if they're hitting 30 or something, just to make them feel young?

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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :

::Looks at Tuvok profile on his site::

Name: Tuvok
Rank: Lieutenant Commander
Born: 2264 Origin: Vulcan
Academy Class: 2293
Last Post: Jupiter Station
Current Post: USS Voyager

What I'm not sure about is his last post. The ST:Encyclopedia mentions him serving on the Excelsior as a junior science officer after graduation; taught at the Vulcan Institute of Defensive Arts; served on the Wyoming in 2349 (51 years later); taught at Starfleet Academy for 16 years; served on the Billings in 2365; posted on Jupiter Station.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

I believe his last post would be as an operative infiltrating the Maquis. But, then, perhaps that was considered part of his time on Voyager, and it was just a very extended away mission... :-)

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