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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>First of Two</b> <br /><small>Member # 16</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,9,26,17,43,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 26, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:43 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> NO, not THAT kind!<P>I've been going over my increasingly out-of-date book starship list. I am considering re-reading them (or at least, skimming through the books looking for starship names), updating my list, and posting the ship names/classes/registries/status if known/commander if known info here, book-by-book.<P>'s anybody interested in that?<P>------------------<BR>"Ed Gruberman, you fail to grasp Ty Kwan Leap. Approach me, that you might see." -- The Master<P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs</b> <br /><small>Member # 239</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,9,26,19,51,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 26, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:51 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Aye.<P>------------------<BR>"Hockey is a sport for white men. Basketball is a sport for black men. Golf is a sport for white men dressed like black pimps." <BR><I>- Tiger Woods </I><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Fabrux</b> <br /><small>Member # 71</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,9,26,20,37,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 26, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:37 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well, not too many of the books that I've read have had any other ships or captains in them, but if I remember any I'll be sure to mention them to you.<P>------------------<BR>"He may not be a god, but on this ship, I am!"<BR>-Andromeda<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Hobbes</b> <br /><small>Member # 138</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,9,26,22,22,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 26, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:22 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Hmm... opportunity to spam, I'll take it!<P><a href="http://thefsd.tripod.com/starships.html"><i>Starship Database - FSD</i></a>. I've collected what canon information I could find with a brief description for each starship based on the ST:Encyclopedia. There might be some of the info you're looking for. I also include the episode-series/movie the ship appears in.<P>------------------<BR>Calvin: "Isn't that weird?? If computers can think, what will people be better at than machines?"<BR>Hobbes: "Irrational behavior."<BR>This post is sponsored in part by the <A HREF="http://thefsd.tripod.com" TARGET=_blank>Federation Starship Datalink</A> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs</b> <br /><small>Member # 239</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,9,26,22,24,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 26, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:24 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> IINM, he's talking about re-reading <i>his</i> <b>novels</b>, and documenting his findings here.<P>------------------<BR>"Hockey is a sport for white men. Basketball is a sport for black men. Golf is a sport for white men dressed like black pimps." <BR><I>- Tiger Woods </I><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> <br /><small>Member # 31</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,9,26,22,25,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 26, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:25 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Hobbes: I believe First is talking about ships from non-canonical novels...<P>------------------<BR>"You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend."<BR>-Yasir Arafat on religious wars <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Spike</b> <br /><small>Member # 322</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,9,27,0,54,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 27, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:54 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I'm interested. Just say me, which books I should read through.<P>------------------<BR><A HREF="http://fitz8472.hypermart.net" TARGET=_blank>"Second star to the right, and then straight on till morning."</A><P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Hobbes</b> <br /><small>Member # 138</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,9,27,7,25,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 27, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:25 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Oh.. I guess I misunderstood, sorry.<P>------------------<BR>Calvin: "Isn't that weird?? If computers can think, what will people be better at than machines?"<BR>Hobbes: "Irrational behavior."<BR>This post is sponsored in part by the <A HREF="http://thefsd.tripod.com" TARGET=_blank>Federation Starship Datalink</A> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>First of Two</b> <br /><small>Member # 16</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,9,27,9,26,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 27, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:26 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Yes.<BR>I mean to reread my entire collection of Pocket Books' Trek books... I have almost all of them.<BR>95 TOS plus "specialty" and hardback novels<BR>58 TNG plus see above<BR>something like 30 DS9<BR>(I'll probably Skip Voyager, as I'm primarily concerned with local ships, and I don't have all the Voyager books... BUT... I may go ahead and read them and list any Alpha Quadrant ships, like any member of the crew's previous vessels.)<P><BR>So the list should go:<P>Name<BR>Class or type if known (Cruiser, Constellation Class, Fighter, etc)<BR>Registry if mentioned (NCC, IKV, NAR, etc)<BR>Status (at the end of book, has it blown up or not?) if discernable.<BR>Commander if mentioned<BR>Power/Race/Species, if not Federation<BR>Source (TNG#80, TOS:Probe, etc.)<P>------------------<BR>"Ed Gruberman, you fail to grasp Ty Kwan Leap. Approach me, that you might see." -- The Master<P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Timo</b> <br /><small>Member # 245</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,9,27,10,31,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 27, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:31 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Diane Duane's new "Swordhunt" and "Honor Blade" give two early Constellations and one Constitution, in an era that is not very well defined. Could be post-TOS/pre-TMP or then post-TMP, as long as it is pre-ST2. I'll check the names of those ships by Monday. One of the Connies was "Speedwell", but the other two names weren't recognizable English words... No registry info, but the commanders are given. Plenty of Romulan ship names, too.<P>Timo Saloniemi<P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>First of Two</b> <br /><small>Member # 16</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,9,27,16,24,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 27, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:24 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> {rant}<P>Damnit, HOW can I do this all for everybody <H2> IF YOU KEEP JUMPING THE DAMN GUN AND TAKING OVER FOR ME??? </H2><P>{/rant}<P>------------------<BR>"Ed Gruberman, you fail to grasp Ty Kwan Leap. Approach me, that you might see." -- The Master<P><BR><p>[This message has been edited by First of Two (edited October 27, 2000).] <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Timo</b> <br /><small>Member # 245</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,9,30,1,30,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 30, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:30 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Nyah, nyah! <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif"><P>Okay, here's the "Honor Blade" list of Starfleet ships, with spoilers galore:<P>ship/class/commander<P>Sempach/Constellation/Commodore Jono Davilov<BR>Speedwell/Constellation/Capt. Birga Helgasdottir<BR>Ortisei/Constitution/Capt. Harold Gutierrez<BR>Lake Champlain/(N/A)/Capt. Finn Winter (a Centauri)<BR>Hemalat/(N/A)/Capt. Hressth ssha-Aurrffesh (a Caitian)<BR>Nimrod/(N/A)/(N/A)<P>The Lake Champlain was destroyed in a battle relatively easily - possibly a small vessel. The Hemalat had a primary hull (suggesting she had a secondary as well) and torpedo armament, so possibly she was a Constitution as well. In addition, an older ship named the Raksha was mentioned as retired from under Capt. Gutierrez. And the Sempach had apparently been the second Constellation built, right after the class ship, with the Speedwell following "soon thereafter", but before the Hathaway and the Stargazer. While cover art suggests deep TOS era, this could be immediate pre-TMP instead.<P>New Romulan ships are also listed. Here are the ones from "Honor Blade"; "Swordhunt" had seven more but I misplaced my notes on them...<P>Gorget (big new Romulan design, swept-back pylons)<BR>Thaiset (ditto)<BR>Saheh'lill <BR>Greave<BR>Pillion (K't'inga) <BR>Hheirant (K't'inga)<BR>Calaf (light cruiser)<BR>Teverresh (light cruiser)<P>Add a Lalairu cityship named the Mascrar, and that's it.<P>Timo Saloniemi <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Shik</b> <br /><small>Member # 343</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,9,30,1,33,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 30, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:33 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> "HELGASdottir?!?" NO. Nononononononononononononononono.......<P>------------------<BR>"Two parts slush...one part solid ice...one part hard-packed snow...a dash of assorted debris...sculpt into sphere, and serve at high velocity without warning." --Calvin<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Nim</b> <br /><small>Member # 205</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,9,30,2,40,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 30, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:40 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> THEY DESTROYED LAKE CHAMPLAIN??? Damn!! Best trout-waters in the world...<P>------------------<BR>So, how's that Survivor-contest coming along, Newt?<BR>-Well not very well at the MOMENT, everyone seems to have died.<BR>-Gee, that's bad. Those Aliens bugging you yet?<BR>-Not really, they mostly come at night mostly... <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Timo</b> <br /><small>Member # 245</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,9,30,2,49,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 30, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:49 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> They also battered the Nimrod enough to render her silent. <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif"><P>The other ships survived until the end of the book, but this may change in the final book of the "pentalogy", so I didn't comment on the exact fates of the ships. Of the Romulan ships, only the Gorget and the Pillion managed to limp away alive, and that is almost CERTAIN to change soon.<P>Timo Saloniemi <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>First of Two</b> <br /><small>Member # 16</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,9,31,17,28,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 31, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:28 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Just so you know, I WILL be getting to this project shortly. I've been dealing with a major medical crisis on the part of my girlfriend. (See OL.)<P>------------------<BR>"Ed Gruberman, you fail to grasp Ty Kwan Leap. Approach me, that you might see." -- The Master<P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Timo</b> <br /><small>Member # 245</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,10,3,5,5,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 03, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:05 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Here's the list of Romulan ships from "Swordhunt".<P>ChR/Name/Class<BR>18/Amie/TOS-style "BoP" cruiser<BR>330/Neirrh/ditto<BR>49/Hmenna/ditto<BR>98/Llemni/ditto<BR>66/Orudain/ditto<BR>24/Uhtta/something called "the new supercruiser"<BR>103/Madail/ditto<P>All of these perished when the Enterprise and the renegade Romulan Bloodwing flare-bombed a star. Served them right, for trying to ambush our heroes.<P>I wish all the best for you and your gf. I'm not empowered to summon deities, but I do believe in things like luck, free will, and the natural course of events. I hope all these will work to the best of you both.<P>Timo Saloniemi <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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