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Posted by colin (Member # 217) on :

Dialogue from "Friday's Child"

Uhura: Mr. Scott, another distress call from the U.S.S. Carolina.
Scott: Ignore it.
Uhura: The Carolina is registered in the sector.
Scott: Ignore it.

What can be learned
-the U.S.S. Carolina is a not a starship
-the U.S.S. Carolina is an active duty ship of Starfleet
-she is on mission near the Klingon Empire

What can be inferred-
-the U.S.S. Carolina can not be Daedalus Class or Constitution Class. If she is either, then Uhura would have identified the U.S.S. Carolina as starship U.S.S. Carolina. U.S.S. Horizon is identified as starship in "A Piece of the Action".
-the ship is a support ship of the Starship Class.
-the ship could be either a scout (TMP) or a freighter (Charlie X) or something else

I have removed the USS Carolina from my list of Constitution Class starships.

I perceive that Mr. Okuda decided not to invent a new ship class, so he used an existing ship class. Unfortunately, he picked a ship class that wouldn't be operational in the 2260's. The registry for the U.S.S. Carolina (NCC-160) is based on inaccurate information and I have disregarded the registry as well as the class.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Just because they didn't say it was a starship, that doesn't mean it necessarily wasn't.

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Posted by colin (Member # 217) on :

TSN
if I say the U.S.S. Carolina is a starship, then this makes her a Constitution Class starship. The definition of a starship in the first Star Trek is different than in later Star Treks. A starship is the U.S.S. Enterprise-a capital ship. Before the Enterprise-type starships, there were the Archon-type and the J-type starships.

U.S.S. Carolina is accepted by no one, even me now, as a Enterprise-type starship. And for you to suggest that the ship is of this type, isn't this contrary to what you have been saying?

So, the U.S.S. Carolina remains an unknown.

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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :

OK, wait, how do you know Starship was meant to imply only the Constitution class? Do you work for Paramount? Did you work on Star tTrek in the 60s? Did Gene Roddenberry tell you this? No, you're only stating your opinion on the interpretation of the term "starship", yet you talk like it has to be accepted by everyone else here. Obviously it ain't gonna happen.

USS Carolina NCC-160 is just some starship that was mentioned and we know nothing else about. Simple as that. Everything else is a GUESS, an OPINION. Leave it at that already!

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Target,

Your theory is full of holes.

Just because a type of ship is identified as a "starship" in one episode does not mean that it will be identified as such in another.

Presumably, if the Carolina was on border patrol near the Enterprise, the senior staff would know this, and know that the Carolina is indeed a "starship" (using your definition).

And have you considered that Scott ignores the distress call because he considers that a Constitution-Class starship should have no problem fending off a Klingon threat (if the Cap'n would get off his ass, sir, and use the ship the right way...)?

See? There's a perfectly logical explanation for why the Carolina is Constitution-Class ...

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Posted by colin (Member # 217) on :

My understanding is based on the "Making of Star Trek". Has anyone read this book? Does anyone have a different interpretation on what is written on the Enterprise-type starships?

I am willing to admit that I am wrong. I did so with the U.S.S. Carolina, which is not even identified as a Constitution Class starship by the creative team.

At a later time, I will include the quote from this named book. And the arguments will begin again.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

You apparently misunderstood me. What I was saying is that, just because the word "starship" is not said, you can't assume that the ship is not a starship. If someone said "USS Enterprise", but didn't precede it w/ "starship", would you assume the E wasn't a starship?

Also, by the time of TOS, "starship" seemed to have taken on its generic meaning. There evidence that it was a more specific term at an earlier time, but, every mention of the word "starship" in TOS cannot be automatically construed as "Constitution-class starship".

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :

A starship, by anyother name would it not travel as fast?

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Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :

If Uhura said space ship USS Carolina would you consider it as a freighter? Space ship and a star ship is about the same thing such as in Naval terms like ship and vessel.

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

To add another superbly rational argument to this discussion:

Obviously, a name like "Carolina" is too good to be wasted on a mere freighter. The names of the States were usually used as a battleship name pool in the USN, and it was the ships from cruisers down that got obscure names.

In Starfleet, big ships are apparently named after historical big ships. So the name pool still consists mostly of US State names and US historical battle sites and commanders, with a couple of international references thrown in. I'd expect a freighter or other humble vessel to be named after something a bit "smaller", like SS Huron.

Or was the Carolina named after the hamburger or something?

Timo Saloniemi