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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Starship Freak</b> <br /><small>Member # 293</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,0,27,11,40,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 27, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:40 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> This is a pic of Chakotay�s maquis ship from "caretaker" as seen onscreen:<BR> <A HREF="http://members.nbci.com/pinasov/fleet/maquis1.JPG" TARGET=_blank>http://members.nbci.com/pinasov/fleet/maquis1.JPG</A> <P>As you can see, this profile does not resemble the later schematics of his ship, and it does not resemble the attack fighters either. So, I�m thinking that this is something they drew up and later dropped for some reason. We haven�t seen it anywhere else, have we?<P>------------------<BR>"The Starships of the Federation are the physical, tangible manifestations of Humanity�s stubborn insistence that life does indeed mean something."<BR> Spock to Leonard McCoy in "Final Frontier"<P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Michael Dracon</b> <br /><small>Member # 4</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,0,27,11,49,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 27, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:49 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> This is the only time we see this 'schematic'. And it is nothing like Chakotays ship, although it should be.<P>The model used for Chakotays ship is also used several times on DS9, mostly in Eddingtons fleet of ships.<P>------------------<BR>"That's your plan? Wile E. Coyote would come up with a better plan than that!"<BR>- Crighton, Farscape.<P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Nim</b> <br /><small>Member # 205</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,0,27,20,13,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 27, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:13 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Aah, good ol' tosviol.gif! <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif"><P>------------------<BR>Here lies a toppled god,<BR>His fall was not a small one.<BR>We did but build his pedestal,<BR>A narrow and a tall one.<P>-Tleilaxu Epigram<P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Mark Nguyen</b> <br /><small>Member # 469</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,0,27,20,21,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 27, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:21 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well, there is a precedent for that sort of thing. A graphic for the USS Potempkin showed an Ambassador-class ship in "Second Chances", but in "Ethics" the year before we saw her as an Excelsior-class ship. Whatever graphic that was on the Maquis ship was probably some generic "winged starship" that they computer used. Or the computer or analysis subroutine could have been scrounged from that ship. Or any one of many possibilities.<P>Mark<P>------------------<BR>"Why build one, when you can build two at twice the price?"<P>- Carl Sagan, "Contact"<P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Aban Rune</b> <br /><small>Member # 226</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,0,29,12,13,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 29, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:13 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> OK, I'd like to see the piccie, but it won't come up.<P>------------------<BR>"You don't tug on Superman's cape.<BR> You don't spit into the wind.<BR> You don't pull the mask off the ole' Lone Ranger<BR> And you don't mess around with Jim."<BR>Aban's Illustration <A HREF="http://www.alanfore.com" TARGET=_blank>www.alanfore.com<BR></A> <P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Nim</b> <br /><small>Member # 205</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,0,29,19,2,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 29, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:02 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Ah yes, copy n' paste. It looks like only a representation of the ship. I wonder what THAT ship looks like in reality.<P>------------------<BR>Here lies a toppled god,<BR>His fall was not a small one.<BR>We did but build his pedestal,<BR>A narrow and a tall one.<P>-Tleilaxu Epigram<P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Starship Freak</b> <br /><small>Member # 293</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,0,30,2,55,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 30, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:55 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Yeah, well, sorry about the copy and paste. I�m just not used to Xoom�s weird tos-viol. What is that about?<P>About the ship, yes, it isn�t unusual for lcars-screens to show the "wrong" ship-class, as with the ambassador-class mentioned above. Or, take for instance Data�s first command, the Nebula-class that showed a Nebula-variant. Or the Oberth-class Pegasus which might or might not show a four-nacelled ship on a screen. <BR>With this pic, it looks like we�re seeing a new type of ship, one that I don�t think we�ve seen before. Could this be the infamous "peregrine"-class? :-)<P>------------------<BR>"The Starships of the Federation are the physical, tangible manifestations of Humanity�s stubborn insistence that life does indeed mean something."<BR> Spock to Leonard McCoy in "Final Frontier"<P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Nim</b> <br /><small>Member # 205</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,0,30,7,5,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 30, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:05 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> That picture looks like neither the "tactical fighter" of SoA, nor the Academy Trainer. Would be cool to find out what it is. Those pointy wingtips are nice...<P>------------------<BR>Here lies a toppled god,<BR>His fall was not a small one.<BR>We did but build his pedestal,<BR>A narrow and a tall one.<P>-Tleilaxu Epigram<P><BR><p>[This message has been edited by Nimrod (edited January 30, 2001).] <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Harry</b> <br /><small>Member # 265</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,0,30,9,11,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 30, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:11 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Ugh, it looks like a Defiant with wings stuck on it!<P>Maybe the guy controlling this screen was just playing an old DOS game <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif"><P>------------------<BR>To know a thing well, know its limits. Only when pushed beyond its tolerances will true nature be seen.<BR><B>The Amtal Rule</B> (Dune)<BR>---<BR><A HREF="http://fleetyard.virtualave.net" TARGET=_blank>Titan Fleet Yards - Harry Doddema's Star Trek Site</A><P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Aban Rune</b> <br /><small>Member # 226</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,0,30,9,14,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 30, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:14 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> You've gotta break the boredom somehow...<P>"Let's see. How bout if I replace the graphic of our ship with this thing and see if anyone notices. Hee hee, this is going to be great!"<P>------------------<BR>"You don't tug on Superman's cape.<BR> You don't spit into the wind.<BR> You don't pull the mask off the ole' Lone Ranger<BR> And you don't mess around with Jim."<BR>Aban's Illustration <A HREF="http://www.alanfore.com" TARGET=_blank>www.alanfore.com<BR></A> <P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Dat</b> <br /><small>Member # 302</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,0,30,11,40,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 30, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:40 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> That would be funny except it was Tuvok at that station where the screen is. I don't see him doing that kind of stuff.<P>------------------<BR>[Bart's looking for his dog.]<BR>Groundskeeper Willy: Yeah, I bought your mutt - and I 'ate 'im! [Bart gasps.] I 'ate 'is little face, I 'ate 'is guts, and I 'ate the way 'e's always barkin'! So I gave 'im to the church.<BR>Bart: Ohhh, I see... you HATE him, so you gave him to the church.<BR>Groundskeeper Willy: Aye. I also 'ate the mess he left on me rug. [Bart stares.] Ya heard me!<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> <br /><small>Member # 31</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,0,30,16,51,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 30, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:51 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Or was someone playing a trick <i>on</i> Tuvok...? :-)<P>------------------<BR>My new year's resolution is the same as last year's: 1024x768. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Treknophyle</b> <br /><small>Member # 509</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,1,15,15,11,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">February 15, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:11 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> "Well, there is a precedent for that sort of thing."<P>Indeed there is. In Wrath of Khan and The Motion Picture, I believe the interior deck plans shown onscreen were the original Franz Josef's.<P>Sometimes I think the prop managers must rue the creation of the VCR. And the DVD probably gives them hives. <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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