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Posted by colin (Member # 217) on :

The preview showed a very nice picture of the hanger deck with, I think, at least three shuttlecrafts and several Klingons. Does anyone have a screencap and can we work to identify the class or name of these ships? Thank you.

(Just a nibble until next week. I surely hope that they have a new Klingon design.)

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

Or an old one, chronologically speaking.

What's the current word? Would the Klingons have been underway for three generations? How long is a Klingon generation? If one counts using natural life expectancy, the ship could be 300 years old - pre-TOS, perhaps even pre-Fed. If one counts from birth to procreation, as is usual, and Alexander was in his advanced teens physically at the chronological age of eight, it could be just 25 years old...

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

Klingons have an average natural life expectancy that is over 100 years, I believe. I would guess that few make it that long, but still...

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Posted by MIB on :

Wait a minute. I've heard that the average life expectance of a Klingon was less than that of an average human.

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

Yeah, but that would include the part where the Klingon gets hacked to pieces by another Klingon. "Natural" life expectancy would be how old a Klingon gets if he happens to win all his duels - the three TOS Klingons Kor, Kang and Koloth seem to have lived at least a hundred and thirty years, assuming they were 25 or so in TOS (although they looked much older in TOS by human standards, we know Klingons mature fast and look like teenagers at age eight).

I guess the writers of the next ep are using a standard 25-year generation, meaning the ship is about 75 years old and thus probably another K't'inga. It would be really cool to see another design from that era, though.

Timo Saloniemi

Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :

Spoiler

Unfortunately, the spoiler only showed the ship twice: As it decloaks, and as it blows up. Couldn't get a reliable look either way. Guess I'll just have to wait another week!

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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :

It looked like a D7/K't'inga to me when the thing blew up. It had the characteristic "wings" at the back.

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Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

I looked over the mpeg very closely (too bad I can't preintscreen it) and its clearly a K'tinga or a very, very similar ship... from the front you can see the typical stripe of lights across the head, and as mentioned above, the back is also very K'tingian.

Also, considering this puppy has a cloak, it ought to be interesting to see if we can get a new earliest date of Klingon ships having cloaks from the ep.

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :

Can you post it or email it to me??

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Posted by Black Knight (Member # 134) on :

Here's a pic of the shuttlebay... http://www.avalonsector.com/uploads/solareclipse/vgr_shuttlebay.jpg
Here's a pic of the K'Tinga (sp?) decloaking: http://www.avalonsector.com/uploads/solareclipse/ktingscrn.jpg
Here's a pic of th K'Tinga (sp?) blowing up: http://www.avalonsector.com/uploads/solareclipse/ktinga_blow.jpg
Quite definately a K'Tinga (sp?)

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :

shuttlebay pic needs the link fixed...

It looks like it to me, K'Tinga that is, or however the heck it is spelled...

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

But is it the ca. 225m K't'inga we have learned to love, or the ca. 350m behemoth suggested in the DS9 TM? Here we could finally see the modern K't'inga next to a ship whose dimensions are well known and accepted - and probably the VFX people choose to show it from ambiguous angles so that we can't do a comparison! Damn.

Yeah, this could definitely help with the issue of when Klingons got cloaks for their cruisers, once we hear the exact timeline of the events.

Timo Saloniemi

Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :

We might be able to tell depending on how many Klingons are on the ship. I seem to remember reading a spoiler that said the crew size of Voyager would triple or something with all these Klingons aboard, which would mean roughly 300 Klingons.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

According to the brief synopsis of the episode available at startrek.com, the Klingon ship's crew compliment is "over 200". Though, considering the events of the episode, that may not be average.

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Posted by Black Knight (Member # 134) on :

Fixed that shuttlebay link.

Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :

No, you went and screwed everything up...

Please, people, use HTML when posting links! It's much, much easier to work with. On the linking matter, anyways.

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :

Anyway, to the Shuttlebay. It's the same CGI set we first saw in "Counterpoint" (which is silly, since I don't think you could fit the Delta Flyer in there - where is it in the picture, anyway?). So what, the Voyager shuttlebay is one big Changeling? THe last time we saw it in "Drive", it was friggin' HUGE. Now it's back to "normal"? Normal being the third different time we saw it? :P

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

I wonder how many photon torpedoes it'll take to destroy the Klingon ship - since it only took one or two in "The Way of the Warrior"

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Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :

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Please, people, use HTML when posting links! It's much, much easier to work with. On the linking matter, anyways.

Or someone fixes that bug.

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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :

It's a D7 Class Cruiser, crew compliment of 204, which Paris says "was retired decades ago". The ship is at least 100 years old too.

I wonder why it has modern consoles and graphics though? Shouldn't it be using the old buttons or something if it's that old?

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Posted by Antagonist (Member # 484) on :

Could it be another oversight on the set designers' part, or perhaps storyline related? Who knows, I think we read way too much into small faults like that. Personally I think I'm going to be happy with the episode in general. It is on in one hour here and I'm eager to see it.

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Stupid Klingons.

Stupid, stupid, stupid Klingons. Did the lead Klingon remind anyone else of Avery Brooks?

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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :

I just saw the episode...and that's a pretty big shuttlebay. There was a Type-9 near the back, and then the Delta Flyer was sticking out the side!!!!

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Posted by Quatre Winner (Member # 464) on :

Is it my imagination or did the shuttle bay just DOUBLED in size or what?

Overall, OK episode. I was amused.

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

So TPTB are trying to wiggle out of the "too small a bay" problem by making the bay L-shaped instead of I-shaped, with the parking pocket for the DF in the new branch?

This won't solve the main door size problem, but at least we don't have to pretend the DF could squeeze through that internal door seen behind that type-9 any more. We can assume it's parked in that pocket all the time, and the camera angles in the previous episodes just failed to show this part of the bay.

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Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :

Oh, you just don't get it, do you?
The DF has been outfitted with the very latest technological breakthroughs the Delta Quadrant has to offer. Including the so-called "zip-cloak" which reduces the size of the craft by around 50 percent without any changes in the external appearance!!!

(Or did I spend too much time last night installing the latest version of Winzip and reading about Harry Potter and the flying car that was huge on the inside but normal size on the outside?) ;-))

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :

I thought everyone knew that the Intrepid-class shuttelbays were designed by a combined team from Jurai & Gallifrey under direction of Washu using only the very best in transdimensional spatial technology.

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Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :

Hey, you're right. I forgot to mention that. Thanx!!

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Posted by ASDB_J (Member # 312) on :

See my reply in the other thread about the K'tinga.

Also, it had the impulse engines on the rear of the wing p/s, so it's a K'tinga. The only thing I can think of, is that somewhere along the 100-yr journey they did a fraction of the time-traveling or space-hopping that Starfleet crews seem to do, and they got a refit to have torpedoes in the deflector, extra hull plating, and the p/s impulse engines.

:-P

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :

It was a special mission ship, I'd imagine that it was outfitted quite nicely before being sent on a mission that my never end. Any idea that the outfitters felt was going to be needed, on or off drawing boards at the time they were working on getting it ready.
How many new ideas did the outfitters of this mission come up with that were later incorporated in to new designs?

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