Flare Sci-Fi Forums: Ships Named Enterprise...

This is topic Ships Named Enterprise... in forum Starships & Technology at Flare Sci-Fi Forums.

To visit this topic, use this URL:
https://flare.solareclipse.net/ultimatebb.php/topic/6/1037.html

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Okay, couple quick questions here, free of course to be debated about.

1) When Starfleet loses the USS Enterprise NCC-1701-Z, will they commission a new Enterprise? They might decide to "retire" the name. Also, if they do, are they going to have the NCC-1701-A1 or -AA or give her a new registry?

2) Is it possible the Enterprise -1701 is not the first Starfleet starship to carry the name? Fairly reliable information hints that Series V will feature a ship named Enterprise, and I'd be willing to speculate that it won't be the TOS Enterprise we all know and love, which means that either ...

a) It's an Earth ship named Enterprise, and Starfleet has not yet been formed.

b) The Enterprise in TOS is actually the SECOND ship to feature the name, but has a different registry.

3) Does Starfleet go through ships as fast as they seem to go through Enterprises? I mean, we're on the sixth Enterprise ... is it just me, or do these ships seem to have a rather high rate of loss? Granted, we don't know when the Enterprise-B was lost (or how), but if we know when the E-C was launched, we can at least pinpoint about when the E-B was destroyed/lost/decomissioned ...

Okay, I'm done rambling now.

Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :

Again about Starships. Two threads in one day. *shrug*

------------------
"My Name is Elmer Fudd, Millionaire. I own a Mansion and a Yacht."
Psychiatrist: "Again."

Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

I hope series V will feature Ent-B. It's doable, the actors are ok, the ship is extra fine. And no stupid teen-crew either, unless 1701-B was the only Enterprise dedicated to training cadets...

It's like SW:Ep I, we know what happened before and after 1701-B, but not during.

I think the need or interest in resurrecting the name Enterprise will be gone by Ent-G. Of course, if Trek dies after the last series and the last TNG-film, Ent-E will be the last Enterprise... Quite interesting actually, Star Wars and Star Trek are both phenomena not previously encountered in the history of entertainment, so we have nothing to compare to.

------------------
Here lies a toppled god,
His fall was not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.

-Tleilaxu Epigram

Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :

However with SW Episode 1, it was a shitty, merchandising kiddy video to give Lucas more money.

With the E-B thought, it would not be like that unless they put in a teen crew and has a big battle every two minutes

------------------
Predict the unpredictable, but how do you unpredict the unpredictable?

Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :

I too think a series set not long after Kirk's death could be doable. We could see events that were only spoken of in the past tense before, such as the Tomed Incident.

------------------
Star Trek: Legacy

Posted by warbird5 on :

I think I'm a minority on this one but I would like the series to be set after TNG, DS9, and Voyager. I don't know how far after but i would prefer it to be afterwards.

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Now, I don't normally mind when thread's go off topic, but come on. It was off topic with the first reply. You wanna talk about the new series, go to that tread. Be polite to Jeff.

That said...

There WA a space ship prior to the TOS Enterprise (and after the space shuttle). Decker shows five pcitures to robot-Ilia on the wall of the rec-room in TMP. One is of an unknown ship (it was either the fifth, or, if the 1701 was the fifth, it was the forth.) Anyone have a good screen-cap, or do we have to wait for the DVD?

Also, 6 in over 130 years isn't that bad, really. The Enterprise-A and D really let the side down though.

[This message has been edited by PsyLiam (edited February 18, 2001).]

Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :

Regarding Enterprise-Z: Remember that the Enterprise is treated by the writers as a "special ship". No two ships that have the same name EVER have the same registry as the Enterprise (or the Defiant for that matter). Ship AAAA can have Registry X, get blown to smithereens, rebuilt as a ship in a different class, but given Registry Y. But X != Y!!!!

Point being? This is pretty much a moot aspect, given that the Enterprise is the only ship allowed to have letters. No other ship will ever have this problem.

------------------
"My Name is Elmer Fudd, Millionaire. I own a Mansion and a Yacht."
Psychiatrist: "Again."

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Well, it's just a question ...

Will an Enterprise after the Enterprise-Z keep the 1701 prefix or not?

------------------
Star Trek Gamma Quadrant
Average Rated 6.27 out of 10 Smileys by Fabrux (with four eps posted)
***
"Oh, yes, screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!"
-Omega 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001
****
"The candidate who slimed John McCain in the primaries and smeared Al Gore in the general election is now the president who pledges to elevate the nation's tone and bring civility to our discorse. Kind of like Michael Corleone brought peace to the mob by killing the heads of the other four families."
--Paul Begala, Is Our Children Learning?

Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :

I always found it amusing that the ship in TNG was the Enterprise-D, when most of the other Excelsior class sister ships of the Enterprise-B (Hood, Potemkin, Intrepid, Farragut, possibly Republic, etc.) were still around. And now there's an Enterprise-E. With each Enterprise's track record for getting destroyed in a relatively short span of time, I certainly wouldn't want to serve on her!

Maybe we'll see JeffKarrde's Enterprise-Z sooner than you think...

warbird: I'd prefer to have the new series set after Voyager et. al as well, but if there *has* to be a prequel, I'd rather it be set at the end of the 23rd century instead of the 22nd.
------------------
Star Trek: Legacy

[This message has been edited by Dukhat (edited February 19, 2001).]

Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :

quote:
the Enterprise is the only ship allowed to have letters.

The Relativity had a letter too.

------------------
"Second star to the right, and then straight on till morning."

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

It wasn't real.

------------------
"And Mojo was hurt and I would have kissed his little boo boo but then I realized he was a BAD monkey so I KICKED HIM IN HIS FACE!"
-Bubbles

Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :

quote:
It wasn't real.

Why not?

------------------
"Second star to the right, and then straight on till morning."

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Because.

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Denial is a powerful thing, isn't it? *L*

------------------
My new year's resolution is the same as last year's: 1024x768.

Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :

No.

[This message has been edited by Siegfried (edited February 20, 2001).]

Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :

Seigfried: What exactly did you have to edit in your one-word post?

------------------
Star Trek: Legacy

Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

Perhaps his smiley?

One of TPTB (I forget which one) said in an interview that the new series wouldn't be pre-TOS, didn't he? What was the exact quote? What I'm getting at is that it may be Enterprise B after all, because that ain't pre-TOS.

------------------
Disclaimer:
"All references to vices and of the supernatural contained in this game are for entertainment purposes only. _Over_The_Edge_ does not promote satanisim, belief in magic, drug use, violence, sexual deviation, body piercing, cynical attitudes toward the government, freedom of expression, or any other action or belief not condoned by the authorities."
- `OverTheEdge'

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

There are conflicting rumors. As many people have said it IS pre-TOS as they say it's not. Honestly, going out and saying "it's not the rumors on the net" is what was said, but that could be a smokescreen.

For that matter, maybe the "Birth..." rumor is a deliberate attempt by TPTB to spread dis-information. WOOHOO!

Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :

I believe what happened was that some interviewer spoke with Ron Moore, and one of the questions specifically regarded the show being set in pre-TOS. Moore answered the question as if this was indeed the case. Later, Moore went on record to deny that the show was set in pre-TOS, and that the interviewer had misquoted him.

First, if this is true (which I don't know for sure), then one of two things might be determined here. Either Moore accidentally "blew the whistle" and then tried to cover it up, or he really did get misquoted. Either way, we're still back to square one. At this point, I really don't care anymore.

------------------
Lisa: "Don't you remember the story of Oedipus?"
Homer: "Maybe five dollars will refresh my memory."
Lisa (angrily): "Oedipus was the story of a man who kills his father and marries his mother!"
Homer: "Uggh! Who pays for that wedding?"

Shabren's Final Prophecy: Star Trek: Legacy

Posted by Wes (Member # 212) on :

Why are you assuming that we are gonna be seeing an old ship in Series V? I'm hoping for a newer ship or better yet.... an Akira-Class starship.

------------------
Wes Button � [email protected]
TechFX Studios � The United Federation Uplink �
------------------
Janeway: "Dimissed"
Neelix: [stands there dumbfounded] "b..but.."
Janeway: "That's Starfleet for get out"

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

The guy (his name escapes me) who helped design the Sovereign-Class is designing the "new" ship for Series V.

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

John Eaves.

By not real, I meant non-Starfleet. The Relativity was the ship from the season 4 finale of Voyager right? Wasn't that ship a fake?

------------------
"And Mojo was hurt and I would have kissed his little boo boo but then I realized he was a BAD monkey so I KICKED HIM IN HIS FACE!"
-Bubbles

Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :

No, the ship you mean is the USS Dauntless NX-01A from VOY Hope and Fear. That ship was a fake.

The Relativity was the 29th century Starfleet time ship from VOY Relativity (season 5).

------------------
"Second star to the right, and then straight on till morning."

Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

Jeffkarrde: So there's still hope for another series in the same timeframe as Voyager?
If it works I would love it, there's something about a prequel-series that is sad, no cool inventions or breakthroughs that aren't already taken for granted in modern Trek...

------------------
Here lies a toppled god,
His fall was not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a turnip.

-Tleilaxu Epigram

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Nimrod,

Well, of course there's still hope, but just 'cuz this guy helped design the -E doesn't mean he'll be designing a TNG/DS9/VOY contemporary starship.

Posted by Re'k on :

There's a very good reason for why a ship named Enterprise has a typically shorter lifespan: when something bad happens in the Federation, the president asks his advisors, "Where's the Enterprise?" This is really two questions...
1) Is the Enterprise close enough to respond?
2) Did the Enterprise cause the problem?

At some point in her life, each USS Enterprise will either be close enough to respond to, or be the cause of, a problem it can not solve.