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Posted by Nemesis (Member # 255) on :

Hi,
i just found a Picture from the Nova-Class Bridge...
i think this one was posted in one of the Fact-Files Issues.
Don't ask me which one, i got this pic from a friend.
Anyway, i hope it might be usefull...
members.aol.com/sulpop/nova_bridge.jpg

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :

Fan-tucking-fastic! At last! Bernd, where are you?

And as you can see, it *is* based off the newer movie bridge, and quite closely resembles the set of the Prometheus, just mashed up.

Mark

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

Thanks. I've been waiting for someone to post this bad boy. I loved that bridge set...or at least what we saw of it.

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Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :

YES! I've been looking for one of those images....

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

An interesting setup. I must say, I'm glad to know that the bridge has seating, and is comfortable. Phew! There's a weight off my shoulders!

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :

I see it as yet another attempt to apply Voyager-esque set design into an older set. We saw the same thing with the Prommie, which had a nifty new forward console and chair combined with the standard movie wall consoles and TNG LCARS.

Same thing here, putting in a sunken command area similar to Voyager's and dropping the helm console down a couple more steps. It's a good compromise between redressing stuff and building a completely new set.

I also notice that the scale is much better with this FF drawing than others - the FF Sovereign layout is utterly cramped.

Mark

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Posted by Nonsuch on :

so, uh.. what are all those stations for? assuming it's all symmetrical (and not counting the conn and command chairs), there seems to be six sit-down stations and two stand-up stations. seems odd for a ship that small -- you'd have to have 1/8 of the crew on the bridge to staff everything.

would the stand-up stations be mission ops 1 and 2, due to the Voyager-ness of the bridge? again, seems odd to need two m.ops stations on a ship that small.

as for the others, I suppose it's anyone's guess, since the bridge was only seen in "Equinox". (been a while since I saw part 2, and I never saw 1, so I'm a little hazy on the details)

Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :

> so, uh.. what are all those stations for? assuming
>it's all symmetrical (and not counting the conn and
>command chairs), there seems to be six sit-down
>stations and two stand-up stations. seems odd for a
>ship that small -- you'd have to have 1/8 of the crew
>on the bridge to staff everything.

That's not necessarily a big deal. ship that size would likely have a bunch of mission-specific palettes and modules that woudl not be operated in the various other compartments aboard ship. What better place to coordinate their use and allocation than from the bridge?

>would the stand-up stations be mission ops 1 and 2,
>due to the Voyager-ness of the bridge? again, seems
>odd to need two m.ops stations on a ship that small.

Well, Voyager does have two M.Ops stations, and the E-D had only one. Furthermore, the Defiant had an "Operations Table" or whatever it was at the back. I think it's a trend in ship design - and following on my previous comment, a small ship which coordinated all their scientific stuff from the bridge could use two of them. A big girl like the E-D would have stuff operated from their many, many labs around the ship.

>as for the others, I suppose it's anyone's guess,
>since the bridge was only seen in "Equinox". (been a
>while since I saw part 2, and I never saw 1, so I'm a
>little hazy on the details)

I believe the stbd forward station was Tactical, as I remember that science officer guy firing from there in Part 2. I'd imagine the rest to be copis of the stations on the Prometheus. in fact, it wouldn't surprise me if they used the exact same LCARS artwork, painted over and blown up accordingly.
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans/factfiles/prometheus-bridge.jpg

Mark

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

Um, I can only count two chairs (command seats and helm not included). And those are of the oh so useful roller-equipped office chair type, so that the crew doesn't have to stand up to perform the little "on third the ship tilts to port, one, two, THREE" maneuver... They can simply roll across the deck, flaying their arms wildly. "Look ooooout!"

Personally, I think the bridge is supposed to be used mostly when the ship is hovering next to an interesting science target. Then each of the consoles is configured for a specific research duty, and the scientists freely move from station to station to check on the progress. They move the chairs accordingly. Few of the crew have any duties elsewhere in the ship at such a time.

To actually sail the ship, none of the wall consoles is needed; even the MSD console is there just for looks, as MSDs tend to be. Only the command chairs and helm are manned. Of the wall consoles, *all* were probably originally "science ops" consoles - even if Ransom converted some of them to more generic uses, say, to reroute engineering or tactical control from damaged systems etc. Or then the two stand-up consoles next to the MSD held engineering-related functions to begin with.

Timo Saloniemi

Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

Damn, those Fact Files figures are so cool. They always get such cool poses and all their chicks are hot!

-Aban "Gets a little too into artwork" Rune

Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

What bothers me is that none of the rear stations have desks, just wall-monitors. Those poor girls will get very strained shoulder- and neck muscles, being more dependent on ergonomical correctness.

Chairwise, I like the 1701-B chair-layout the best. Combined with Defiant-chairs. Mmm...

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :

The E-B *does* have chairs for everyone, but I mean they have chairs for *everyone*. Look at how crowded they are at the science and comm stations, with two people each. On the Enterprise-A, those same stations had only one person each!

As for the Nova's lack of chairs... Following on the idea that the bridge is ultra-reconfigurabe (as Timo and I independently posited), odds are that people may have to move around the bridge a lot, precluding the need for chairs. That, or there's some storage area in the corridor to port or starboard (can't remember which one - but I'm sure only one of those doors opens to a turbolift) that contains those generic office chairs, which are rolled out as needed.

A third alternative would be simply that the chairs had been destroyed or otherwise been made unavailable during the Equinox's five years of hell. When the FF gang made up the pristine bridge, they just forgot the chairs. I for one can't remember any chairs on the peripheral stations in the episode, apart from the one at the Conn station (which itself vanished for part two).

Mark

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

Yah, even the seated stations on both the Nova and the Prommie bridges don't really have any arm support. You couldn't rest your forearms on anything.

You know, these two bridges look a hell of a lot alike Are you guys sure it wasn't the same set?

Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :

They *are* the same set. It's what I've been arguing from the start!

Mark

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

Sorry. For some reason, the way I read it I thought we were talking about two different sets.

I'm ok now, though, honestly...

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Mark,

You're completely wrong. They're obviously the same set re-dressed. Yeeesh!!!!!

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :

[Smacks Jeff upside the head with Dave's Dynamics book]

Mark

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Posted by Balapoel on :

Hey. I was all ready to upload an image with all of the FF bridges (and the floor plans that I have) when I found out the upload page is broken. Capps, is there a problem with it? Is anyone else having a problem uploading?

Anyway, the bridges on the image include:

1. Enterprise (2245) + floorplan
2. Enterprise (2265) + floorplan
3. Enterprise (2285)
4. Enterprise/Excelsior (2291) + floorplan
5. Enterprise-B + floorplan
6. Enterprise-D battlebridge/Ent. C/Stargazer/Brattain, etc. + floorplan
7. Sutherland + floorplan
8. Enterprise-D + floorplan
9. Defiant + floorplan
10. Voyager + floorplan
11. Prometheus
12. Equinox
13. Enterprise-E

It's 300kb, but it's worth it I think.

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Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :

You'll find some of those bridges here: http://fitz8472.hypermart.net/bridges/
and here http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans/bridges1.htm

You can email me the rest and I'll upload them. [email protected]

The Upload-Site is down for a while, as I have problems with the account and don't know, when I get a response from Hypermart.

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

Everyone has such good posture!

So what is that center post thingy in front of the viewscreen on the Ent A and Ent B bridges? There's a line pointing to it on the A schematic in the first link there.

Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :

The FF don't say, what this is. Text says just that the command area is separated from the rest.

Looks like a lamp.

Ah yes, the Upload-site works now.

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Posted by CaptSerek on :

Guys, I've looked over the bridge scans from Bernd's and Fitz's sites. Frist, the Nebula class bridge is niether the Sutherland or the Farragut, it is the USS Prometheus, NCC-71201 from Second Sight DS9. Although I would love to see more bridges scanned from both the Fact Files as well as Star Trek Magazine, since they use similar drawings asnd such. In fact, last month's USS Dauntless looks interesting, this months USS Relaint and next month USS Grissom bridges and hopefully we will see the Pasteur bridge was well as variations for a class, like the many we saw for the Miranda class as well as the Sutherland. Who knows, maybe even the Excelsior, Oddysey, etc. to keep it complete. Good jobs on the scans and clean up guys. Thie is one of the many reasons why I like Trek.

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Posted by Balapoel on :

Okay, as promised. Thanks to Bernd and Fitz for scanning the majority of the bridges from Fact Files. If you guys know of any floorplans that aren't here, let me know.
http://flareupload.hypermart.net/files/bridges.jpg

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

Do you have the original bigger pics? I'd like to see the Constellation class, it's the only one I haven't got.

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Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :

Here's the Enterprise-C: http://fitz8472.hypermart.net/bridges/bridge_enterprise_c.jpg

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

What's that station in front of Conn/Ops?

Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :

Unknown. I personally think it's an unmanned auxilliary display console like the ones they have at the front of the Defiant. Timo, however, thinks that it's actually the conn console, as a) the helmsman was found under it, and b) tactical was one of the two forward stations. It's possible, but unlikely IMO.

Mark

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Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

Actually, the dude who mannned the front console was sprawled out on top of it when the alt-E-D's away team beamed in. Castillo(?) was the helmsman and IIRC they dug him out of a pile of crap off to the side. In any case, it was made pretty clear during the Klingon attack that kills Garrett that Castillo's station was one of the front pair and that tactical was the other.

I think the very forward station might have had a chair in the show that was omitted on the diagram, and if so, might it make sense for it to be Ops? Or was the Ambasssador too early to have such a position?

In any case, I just went to the babelfish, and proving that factfiles descriptions sound dumb in any language, babelfish-mashed or not, got the following for the lower right callout:

quote:

the stations fur steurung [conn, one would suppose] and takitk [tactical] are before the command armchair. Them consist of a comfortable, light brown chair and spread extendable consoles.

The callout that appears to come off the mystery console in in fact just an inane comment about bridge lighting.

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Posted by Balapoel on :

Thanks Fitz.

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Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :

The_Tom, the Fact Files aren't quite THAT dumb-- I speak a little German and can understand most of what that says. But you're right, the information is pretty superficial. For the first entry (top, left) says:

quote:
Like other Starfleet ships, the USS Enterprise NCC-1701-C has a circular bridge. However, it is not quite as compact as its predecessors, as it has fewer consoles and a more efficent organization of its space. (The last part is a little vague for me as far as syntax goes, but I'm sure I properly translated the important words.)

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

Well I'm still interested in seeing the fullsize pic of the Constellation-bridge. I don't think I've seen it at "Chez Bernd's".

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Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :

*grin*

Yeah, but I can understand why -- he actually edits the pics so that there's nothing but the actual image, without those callouts.

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Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :

@MinutiaeMan: Your translation is correct.

@Nimrod: AFAIK a Constellation bridge has not been published up to now, but I think the E-C bridge was a redress of the Stargazer bridge.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

Aah, I see it now. Hmph...

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :

No, it wasn't. The Stargazer bridge was a redress of the original Connie bridge - you can tell by the wall stations being identical to the movies' bridges for STI-IV. The E-C bridge was a relative newbuild, being seen previously as the bridge of the Hathaway and Data's lab (and subsequently as the new battle bridge on the E-D, the bridge of the USS Pasteur, and various othr sets through TNG).

Mark

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Posted by Nonsuch on :

one more question about the Nova bridge: why is the conn console split in half? is this Starfleet's version of the "ergonomic keyboard"?

Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :

That's a neat thought, but no. Actually, i think two people are supposed to be down there, but given the Equinox's circumstances at the time, it doesn't surprise me there's only one person at the console at the beginning. In Part Two, the forward console was consistently manned by two people; however, they were constantly standing, and the chair was gone.

Mark

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Posted by Daniel (Member # 453) on :

Okay, several questions/points/observations/etc. First, regarding that wonderful gigantic bridge compilation that I rapidly copied to my hard-drive. WHY DO THE ENT-A and ENT-B BRIDGES HAVE SQUARE TURBOLIFTS?! *Bangs head against wall* Okay, second, why does the original Enterprise bridge circa 2265 have a SECOND turbolift? Is 2265 TAS?

Also, in Star Trek this magazine thingy I picked up a while ago, it says in an interview with Berman(?) that the battle bridge of the Enterprise-D was a completely new-build set. So there was a SECOND battle bridge I assume that I have not seen. *plaintively* what does it look like?

Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :

The turbolifts are square because the people who drew those schematics are morons. Actually, the E-A overhead schematic isn't really the correct proportion - you can see the the two seats at the science and comm stations where there should be just one, and the forward stations should have twice the seats shown.

To be fair, I believe the Excelsior rebuild set in "Flashback" had a square lift, though. And the emergency turbolift to the battle bridge on the E-D was definitely square. Ditto for the original Excelsior turbos from ST3, for that matter.

The TOS second turbo was only ever seen in TAS. Again, it's a misidentification. I would take te fact files drawings, pretty as they are, with a large grain of salt. Like the Sovereign bridge. It's so misproportioned it's not funny at all.

The second battle bridge set on the E-D is the one seen in BoBW II. In ts two prior appearances ("Encouter at Farpoint" and "The Arsenal of Freedom"), it was the refit Enterprise bridge redressed. In the multi-bridge picture, the second battle bridge is in the overhead view, while the fist is the Fact Files picture.

Mark

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Can I mention at this point that the BOBW battle bridge was really, really cool? Thanks.

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :

Yes. Yes you may. 'Cuz I said so.

Mark

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