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And as you can see, it *is* based off the newer movie bridge, and quite closely resembles the set of the Prometheus, just mashed up.
Mark
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And quite unacustomed to fear.
But, of all, the most reckless, or so I am told,
Was Abdulah Boul Boul Ameer."
Aban's Illustration www.alanfore.com
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Read three (three!) chapters of "Dirk Tungsten in...The Disappearing Planet" Or don't. You know, whatever.
Same thing here, putting in a sunken command area similar to Voyager's and dropping the helm console down a couple more steps. It's a good compromise between redressing stuff and building a completely new set.
I also notice that the scale is much better with this FF drawing than others - the FF Sovereign layout is utterly cramped.
Mark
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"Why build one, when you can have two at twice the price?"
- Carl Sagan, "Contact"
would the stand-up stations be mission ops 1 and 2, due to the Voyager-ness of the bridge? again, seems odd to need two m.ops stations on a ship that small.
as for the others, I suppose it's anyone's guess, since the bridge was only seen in "Equinox". (been a while since I saw part 2, and I never saw 1, so I'm a little hazy on the details)
That's not necessarily a big deal. ship that size would likely have a bunch of mission-specific palettes and modules that woudl not be operated in the various other compartments aboard ship. What better place to coordinate their use and allocation than from the bridge?
>would the stand-up stations be mission ops 1 and 2,
>due to the Voyager-ness of the bridge? again, seems
>odd to need two m.ops stations on a ship that small.
Well, Voyager does have two M.Ops stations, and the E-D had only one. Furthermore, the Defiant had an "Operations Table" or whatever it was at the back. I think it's a trend in ship design - and following on my previous comment, a small ship which coordinated all their scientific stuff from the bridge could use two of them. A big girl like the E-D would have stuff operated from their many, many labs around the ship.
>as for the others, I suppose it's anyone's guess,
>since the bridge was only seen in "Equinox". (been a
>while since I saw part 2, and I never saw 1, so I'm a
>little hazy on the details)
I believe the stbd forward station was Tactical, as I remember that science officer guy firing from there in Part 2. I'd imagine the rest to be copis of the stations on the Prometheus. in fact, it wouldn't surprise me if they used the exact same LCARS artwork, painted over and blown up accordingly.
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans/factfiles/prometheus-bridge.jpg
Mark
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- Carl Sagan, "Contact"
Personally, I think the bridge is supposed to be used mostly when the ship is hovering next to an interesting science target. Then each of the consoles is configured for a specific research duty, and the scientists freely move from station to station to check on the progress. They move the chairs accordingly. Few of the crew have any duties elsewhere in the ship at such a time.
To actually sail the ship, none of the wall consoles is needed; even the MSD console is there just for looks, as MSDs tend to be. Only the command chairs and helm are manned. Of the wall consoles, *all* were probably originally "science ops" consoles - even if Ransom converted some of them to more generic uses, say, to reroute engineering or tactical control from damaged systems etc. Or then the two stand-up consoles next to the MSD held engineering-related functions to begin with.
Timo Saloniemi
-Aban "Gets a little too into artwork" Rune
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And quite unacustomed to fear.
But, of all, the most reckless, or so I am told,
Was Abdulah Boul Boul Ameer."
Aban's Illustration www.alanfore.com
Chairwise, I like the 1701-B chair-layout the best. Combined with Defiant-chairs. Mmm...
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As for the Nova's lack of chairs... Following on the idea that the bridge is ultra-reconfigurabe (as Timo and I independently posited), odds are that people may have to move around the bridge a lot, precluding the need for chairs. That, or there's some storage area in the corridor to port or starboard (can't remember which one - but I'm sure only one of those doors opens to a turbolift) that contains those generic office chairs, which are rolled out as needed.
A third alternative would be simply that the chairs had been destroyed or otherwise been made unavailable during the Equinox's five years of hell. When the FF gang made up the pristine bridge, they just forgot the chairs. I for one can't remember any chairs on the peripheral stations in the episode, apart from the one at the Conn station (which itself vanished for part two).
Mark
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[This message has been edited by Mark Nguyen (edited March 22, 2001).]
You know, these two bridges look a hell of a lot alike Are you guys sure it wasn't the same set?
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"The sons of the Prophet were valiant and bold,
And quite unacustomed to fear.
But, of all, the most reckless, or so I am told,
Was Abdulah Boul Boul Ameer."
Aban's Illustration www.alanfore.com
Mark
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- Carl Sagan, "Contact"
I'm ok now, though, honestly...
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"The sons of the Prophet were valiant and bold,
And quite unacustomed to fear.
But, of all, the most reckless, or so I am told,
Was Abdulah Boul Boul Ameer."
Aban's Illustration www.alanfore.com
You're completely wrong. They're obviously the same set re-dressed. Yeeesh!!!!!
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Mark
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"Why build one, when you can have two at twice the price?"
- Carl Sagan, "Contact"
Anyway, the bridges on the image include:
1. Enterprise (2245) + floorplan
2. Enterprise (2265) + floorplan
3. Enterprise (2285)
4. Enterprise/Excelsior (2291) + floorplan
5. Enterprise-B + floorplan
6. Enterprise-D battlebridge/Ent. C/Stargazer/Brattain, etc. + floorplan
7. Sutherland + floorplan
8. Enterprise-D + floorplan
9. Defiant + floorplan
10. Voyager + floorplan
11. Prometheus
12. Equinox
13. Enterprise-E
It's 300kb, but it's worth it I think.
Ben
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Parker: Ten minutes.
Ripley: No bullshit?
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Alien (1979)
You can email me the rest and I'll upload them. [email protected]
The Upload-Site is down for a while, as I have problems with the account and don't know, when I get a response from Hypermart.
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So what is that center post thingy in front of the viewscreen on the Ent A and Ent B bridges? There's a line pointing to it on the A schematic in the first link there.
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"The sons of the Prophet were valiant and bold,
And quite unacustomed to fear.
But, of all, the most reckless, or so I am told,
Was Abdulah Boul Boul Ameer."
Aban's Illustration www.alanfore.com
Looks like a lamp.
Ah yes, the Upload-site works now.
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Ripley: When we throw the switches, how long before the ship blows?
Parker: Ten minutes.
Ripley: No bullshit?
Parker: If we ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space.
Alien (1979)
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-Omega 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001
Mark
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"Why build one, when you can have two at twice the price?"
- Carl Sagan, "Contact"
I think the very forward station might have had a chair in the show that was omitted on the diagram, and if so, might it make sense for it to be Ops? Or was the Ambasssador too early to have such a position?
In any case, I just went to the babelfish, and proving that factfiles descriptions sound dumb in any language, babelfish-mashed or not, got the following for the lower right callout:
quote:
the stations fur steurung [conn, one would suppose] and takitk [tactical] are before the command armchair. Them consist of a comfortable, light brown chair and spread extendable consoles.
The callout that appears to come off the mystery console in in fact just an inane comment about bridge lighting.
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Ripley: When we throw the switches, how long before the ship blows?
Parker: Ten minutes.
Ripley: No bullshit?
Parker: If we ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space.
Alien (1979)
quote:
Like other Starfleet ships, the USS Enterprise NCC-1701-C has a circular bridge. However, it is not quite as compact as its predecessors, as it has fewer consoles and a more efficent organization of its space. (The last part is a little vague for me as far as syntax goes, but I'm sure I properly translated the important words.)
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Yeah, but I can understand why -- he actually edits the pics so that there's nothing but the actual image, without those callouts.
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@Nimrod: AFAIK a Constellation bridge has not been published up to now, but I think the E-C bridge was a redress of the Stargazer bridge.
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"Why build one, when you can have two at twice the price?"
- Carl Sagan, "Contact"
Mark
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"Why build one, when you can have two at twice the price?"
- Carl Sagan, "Contact"
Also, in Star Trek this magazine thingy I picked up a while ago, it says in an interview with Berman(?) that the battle bridge of the Enterprise-D was a completely new-build set. So there was a SECOND battle bridge I assume that I have not seen. *plaintively* what does it look like?
To be fair, I believe the Excelsior rebuild set in "Flashback" had a square lift, though. And the emergency turbolift to the battle bridge on the E-D was definitely square. Ditto for the original Excelsior turbos from ST3, for that matter.
The TOS second turbo was only ever seen in TAS. Again, it's a misidentification. I would take te fact files drawings, pretty as they are, with a large grain of salt. Like the Sovereign bridge. It's so misproportioned it's not funny at all.
The second battle bridge set on the E-D is the one seen in BoBW II. In ts two prior appearances ("Encouter at Farpoint" and "The Arsenal of Freedom"), it was the refit Enterprise bridge redressed. In the multi-bridge picture, the second battle bridge is in the overhead view, while the fist is the Fact Files picture.
Mark
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"Why build one, when you can have two at twice the price?"
- Carl Sagan, "Contact"
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Mark
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