Does any one know how many decks does the Enterprise-B have?
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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
The MSD that I have seems to show 28 plus some equipment (deflector) and shuttlebay space in the bottom of the engineering hull.
Looks about right, but I have no idea if it is official.
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
The ship is the same height as the E-A, so, if the decks are about the same size, it should have about the same number...
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Posted by Zor Prime on :
startrek.com has as a wallpapaer, the top view and a side cutaway with decks (MSD) that was the one at the back of the bridge in the movie, so it's official (but doesn't mean accurate). In Jackill's guide, I think he has a different amount of decks and mentions on the last page that the official one at the back of the bridge is wrong.
Posted by Daniel (Member # 453) on :
I have a three-sheet data readout of the Excelsior & Ent-B from Jackill's, and yes, he did rearrange the decks slightly. The way he did it, things lined up a little bit better using the ship's actual dimensions, (e.g., the decks weren't seven feet high and the torps didn't fire into the navigational sensor array). If you want the deck numbers and dimensions from those sheets, I can dig them out.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
I do know that deck fifteen was NOT at the level of the deflector chines. It's somewhere in the interconnecting dorsal...
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Posted by Daniel (Member # 453) on :
From those technical readouts I was talking about:
There are 24 (and a half) decks overall.
9.5 decks in the saucer. 5.0 decks in the dorsal. 12.5 decks in the secondary hull.
Overall Height: 78.86m
And, the Author's Note:
The original cross section (located at the rear of the bridge on 1701B) is dramatically incorrect, based on the craft's established length of 476m a height of 74.93m was calculated.
The original cross section shows 36 decks which works out to 2.08m per deck which is just over 6 feet tall (the average ceiling space is 8 feet). 2.08 meters would not leave enough clearance for flooring, conduit, ceiling material, and structural support. I have based my design on a more accepted deck height of 2.75m which works out to 9 feet (8 feet for the ceiling and a foot for everything else).
I have tried to match the location of various components from the original design when sensible. Some items have been moved to more logical locations. The navigational deflector should have been drawn penetrating the additional cowling, and the intermix chamber does not line up with the deflection crystals. Also, the original forward torpedo bay would have fired straight into the navigational dome. But as always, feel free to believe the original layout is correct and disreagrd the new cross section.
(From Me: Don't ask why the two heights listed don't match. I have no idea.)
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
Which original torpedo launchers are you talking about? The only ones I know of (to either side of the forward secondary hull -- seen firing in Star Trek VI) have an amply clear line of fire.
And still, every deck layout I've seen places deck fifteen much higher than it was said to be in Generations.
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Posted by Daniel (Member # 453) on :
I have no idea. I didn't write the thing, I'm just posting it. There are several flaws in his note, (including poor grammar in my copy). And yes, deck fifteen is a bit too high to be where the controls for the nav. deflector array are. Definitely not where the big hole was ripped in the hull.
Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
It is possible to observe the deck heights of the Ent-B as the camera moves away from the hole, revealing the a few decks above and below the one Scotty and Harriman are standing on. This might allow us to canonically establish the ship's deck count.
Yes, I was wondering if anyone had any screen captures of that... If anyone does... post them! :-)
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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
However, that pic leaves no room for any space between decks. No Jeffries Tube or anything. I would suggest that those levels we see aren't deck seperations, but rather, catwalks or something unique to that area of the ship. That compartment probably spanned several decks.
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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
Why do we always need four feet of space between decks? It could be that in the rest of the ship, you've got 12-foot decks composed of an 8-foot walkspace and a 4-foot interdeck space, whereas here, on the outer rim, you simply have 11 feet of walkspace and one foot of interdeck space. Reason -- we use scaffolding instead of normal bulkheads, but the overall deck height doesn't change. Kinda like this:
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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Well, you have to have room between decks for equipment and stuff. Lighting, air ducts, force field emiters, gravity plating, equipment trunks, computer interface hardware, etc...
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The wonderful ever-expanding jeffries tubes ... anyone remember their first TNG appearance? The Hunted. My did they look different ...
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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
They really should come up with some sort of sled system or something, carpenters and other workers who sit or crawl on their knees a lot damage the knees pretty fast. A guy I know who used to be a carpenter has wasted his knees totally, he's on painkillers 24-7. Crawling on those grates like we've seen ensigns do so often is downright crazy. One of the exceptions to Nietzsche's not-so-thought-through statement.
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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
What I'm saying is that you don't have to have room *everywhere* -- maybe there are some areas which simply don't need interfaces, jefferies tubes and such. I mean, what about the two Engineering levels on most ships -- you got this central area completely open.
But if you have an open space in a starship then there either is no deck to speak of or (generally) a grating resting on 1ft thick horizontal structural beams. So a 1ft interdeck space would be accounted for. I agree that in those cases you don't NEED the interdeck space to begin with, (it's an open bay), but otherwise, you sort of do. Besides, it would be smarter to make sure everything in terms of decking lined up appropriately, (easier to build, less steps, etc.).
