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Posted by [email protected] on :

Can someone tell me how well armed with disrupters the Klingon Battlecruisers seen in Star Trek the Motion Picture were? Why have these Battlecruisers stayed in service for so long?

JDW

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Posted by TheF0rce (Member # 533) on :

you mean the ones later seen in ds9?
well we don't really know if they were even the same class as the katinga ones in TMP

bird of preys been in service with a multitude of classes since forever

Posted by Psi'a Meese on :

TMP blueprints show the ship having eight sonic-disrupter mounts.

Two to either side of the forward command pod; four between the warp nacelles-two forward/two aft-underside of the engineering hull; two topside of the engineering hull to either side of the hanger bay.

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Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :

To count so far there are 12 Bird of Prey types from k-1 to K-12 which the Duras sisters had in Generations and of course that ship was also obsolete so I'm assuming that the current line would be about K-18 to K-20

I personaly like to believe that the K'Tinga class is the D-7 design and the TMP design. The D-7 class in TOS was perhaps the 7th type for the K'Tinga class. The one in TMP was maybe D-8 or D-9. The difference between a D-8 and a D-9 might not be apparent by Klingon designers might have restructured the interior slightly to mount bigger/smaller disruptors. My two cents...

Doesn't the DS9 TM say something like 6 disruptors and 2 torp. tubes?

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

Kang said in the DS9 episode 'Once More Onto The Breach' that he worked on a D-5 class battlecruiser (I'm not quoting, I only know the D-5 classification for sure).

Now wasn't Kang also in some TOS episode or one of the movies??

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Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :

I think he was in TOS, DS9 and VOY. I know the episode in Voyager was in Flashback. When the Excelsior was in a Nebula and Kang was in one of the battlecruisers hunting down the Excelsior.

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :

The D-5 was a not-so-subtle reference to Kor's (it was Kor who made the ref, mind you) ship, the Klothos, in the TAS episode "The Time Trap."

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

Oh, right... Kor... Sorry!

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Sonic disruptors? There's a neat trick.

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Posted by Psi'a Meese on :

Sonic disruptors? There's a neat trick.
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Oh, I know. Just quoting what the blueprints say.

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Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

Two points

1) Swooshing spaceships aside, I really can't see sonic disruptors being much use in a vaccum.

2)The Generations BoP was D-12, not K-12, implying (as I see it) that Starfleet Intelligence uses a D + a number system to refer to Klingon spacecraft, akin to the NATO Fulcrum/Foxbat/F-anything system for MiGs...

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

How the hell does anything 'sonic' work in space?

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Posted by Mucus (Member # 24) on :

The way I see it, there are two possibilities.

a) BS Rationalization: Transporters beam air into the space between the vessels, a reversed ramscoop pumping out hydrogen might also do the trick, or it can only fire while manuvering in a planet's atmosphere....or maybe in the 24th century there actually is air in outer space which explains why we can hear weapons fire, music, and nifty starship "whooshing" as stated before...*breath*

b) They fucked up.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Are the K'tingas from DS9 onwards (ignoring "The Emmisary") the same size as the TMP and STVI K'Tingas? Or is it like the different sized BOP's that we get?

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

The DS9 visuals would seem to place the battlecruisers in the roughly same size range - 200-250m or so. The DS9 TM offers much larger dimensions, but that's mainly because of an easily traceable error that didn't originate from the actual filmed material. So I'd say the ships are supposed to be of the same size throughout the shown history.

As for "sonic disruptors" - well, that's the type of weaponry the Eminians used against the orbiting Enterprise in "A Taste of Armageddon". The guns generated something like, what, thousands of decibels? With that much oomph (you couldn't create a thousand decibels if you detonated the entire nuclear arsenal of Earth next to your ear - the best mankind has done so far is about 300 dB, using an exotic gas-jet system), something is going to give... Why not the laws of physics?

Timo Saloniemi

Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

They really made the Kronos-1 look big, evil and menacing in ST:VI, while it AAMOF was about 60-70 meters smaller than the Enterprise refit? Ha!

And comparing the K'Tinga to the Excelsior class, they must've been severely outclassed for a long time. I can't believe it took them several generations to crank out the Vor'Cha...

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Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :

Maybe they were built in numbers.

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Posted by akb1979 (Member # 557) on :

The only reason we can hear starships make "whooshing" sounds as well as the explosions and such is because if we couldn't, we'd all be really really really bored.

Why? Well put it this way; would you watch a sci-fi program where all the cool battle scenes were silent? No? Did I hear you say no? Exactly, I rest my case.

Pardon? I can't hear you . . . we're in a vacuum! Hehe!

Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :

I've heard that the studio model for Kronos One was especially built from scratch rather than being a refurbishment of the TMP miniature. Can anyone confirm this or is my source telling fibs?

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

AAMOF?

Can I just say I LOVE Kronos 1 from TUC...

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

The schematics differ somewhat from the original K'Tinga, but I think they only added some modules and textures, there were more paintings on her. I actually rewatched TUC two days ago, in WS for the first time.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

http://flareupload.hypermart.net/files/Ktinga.jpg
http://flareupload.hypermart.net/files/KronosOne.jpg

If you flip between the pictures quickly you spot the differences immediately.

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

So Gorkon's ship has a "flag bridge" plus some sort of an additional thingamajig at the dorsal front surface of the aft hull...

The aft "torpedo tube" thingie is also different from model to model - there is a parabolic dish in Gorkon's ship, but a circular torpedo opening in the TMP ships and a complex angular structure in the "Flashback" ship flown by Kang. The ships usually seen in DS9 seem to have the "Flashback" stern structure.

One would think that Klingons would be in the habit of personally customizing their ships a lot. The basic spaceframes might run in the family for generations, with each warrior adding new gear as technology advanced and the fortunes of the House increased.

Timo Saloniemi

Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

Sounds cool. They undoubtedly have their own banners and family crests.