The Oberth is featured in the latest issue of ST:TM and the fold-out orthographic views point out a shuttlebay on the outer edge of the aft section of the primary hull. I have never seen any shuttle bays indicated on the Oberths (though I would assume they have them). One of the pictures in the magazine shows this area of the Oberth clearly and I do not see anything that looks like shuttle doors. Thoughts anyone?
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Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
I wouldn't think that part of the hull had a cropss-section thick enough to justify a hangar. I always assumed that the hangar (if any) was in the lower engineering hull.
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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Contary to what Hero Worship said, I don't think that IS a secondary hull. I think it makes more sense for that to be a sensor-module. I can't think of any reason why the saucer section would be set off from the engineering hull like that UNLESS the module was replaceable -- a sensor module that can be swapped out depending on the mission profile.
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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
Can you scan and email them to me????? Can someone????
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Posted by Daniel (Member # 453) on :
I still maintain that the underslung structure is the secondary hull. Do you know how much SPACE is in that thing? Loads! Well, this also depends on how long you think the Oberth-class is, but in any case, you can fit lots of stuff down there. Deflector dish, warp engineering, shuttlebay, sensor systems, etc.
Posted by Galen (Member # 72) on :
Ritten, I tried to email them to you, but my system wouldn't recognize the link in your message. I did find they are the same scans that I found on the web a while back. I uploaded the side view to http://flareupload.hypermart.net/files with the location of the supposed shuttlebay pointed out.
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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
Thanks, mine won't either.... since I added a subject tag to it.... I guess subject fillers are a no-no here....
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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Was the Oberth bridge in there? Could we perchance get a scan?
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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
From what I saw when I flipped through that magazine, the diagrams were chalk full of problems.
If there is a shuttle by there, it's a darn skinny one. The diagrams show a deflector in the secondary hull, but even their own CGI pic that they included at the front of the section omits it.
The AGT Ent D shows an "elevated command module" that, from what I can tell doesn't exist...sigh...I was disappointed.
But, yes, the artwork of the Grissom bridge was nice...
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Posted by Shipbuilder (Member # 69) on :
"The diagrams show a deflector in the secondary hull, but even their own CGI pic that they included at the front of the section omits it."
I don't have it right here in front of me, but I think that deflector pic is actually the aft view, which seems even more odd. Though we know that the Oberths don't have the normal type of deflector, it must be encased in the radome type structure at the front of the secondary hull?
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I suppose it could be "under glass" or whatever. The problem is that the deflector is meant to sweep away matter from a ship's flight path. Putting behind a huge slab of matter doesn't make a whole ton of sense.
I always assumed the Oberth's deflector was in the forward saucer like the Constellation's.
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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
The pullout claims the rear dish is merely for sensors and there is also a callout pointing to the interior of the secondary hull at the front for the location of the deflector.
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Posted by Toadkiller (Member # 425) on :
As for the primary/secondary hulls and their role - how about the primary is the for driving the ship and the secondary is for the science stuff. Do you really need the two to meet frequently? Today's oceanographic ships have two completely seperate crews the ship drivers and the scientists, maybe it is just more distinct in ST.
Besides I though it had been determined a turbolift could fit in the struts.
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Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
The MSD seen in "Hero Worship" makes it pretty clear that the two halves communicate with each other and there are decks in both sections. But I like the two fairly seperate crews concept.
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Posted by Starbuck (Member # 153) on :
I'll check my files but I would swear blind that in a DC Comics special, Saavik and Valeris land in an Oberth's shuttlebay right where you described it. That may be the source of this particular nit
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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :
I didn't read the other replies yet, so don't shoot me for saying something that's already mentioned.
I thought the shuttlebay was in the front of the saucer (facing forward)...
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Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
Keep in mind how large a deflector is. The E-D's is at least 4-7 decks tall. The Defiant's is about 2-3 decks and so on. If the Oberth's deflector is in the forward part of the saucer then a very large portion of that part of the ship is taken up. Also keep in mind that you need a warp core and so that takes up space so in my opinion that throws the theory of the Oberth's secondary hull actually being unmanned away. The saucer is just too small to fit all the essentials inside it.
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Posted by Galen (Member # 72) on :
Just noticed that a rear display on the bridge diagram shows a side and top view of a Constitution II class. Wonder how that got in there.
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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
What bridge diagram?
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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
Um, the deflectors on shuttlecraft are tiny, so I would be willing to bet the ones on the Oberth are the same way.
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Posted by Daniel (Member # 453) on :
About that Enterprise II model. If you look closely enough, all the readouts on the ST:II bridge that involve schematics of the refit-Enterprise show schematics of the Enterprise II model. i.e., the damage control console, the shield status monitor, etc. AND (talk about big-time continuity error) these were carried over onto the bridges of the Reliant, and I believe, the Oberth. You can clearly see schematics of a nonexistant secondary hull in some shots of those bridges.
Posted by Daniel (Member # 453) on :
P.S. And the way they covered the Miranda-class in the previous issue, I wouldn't hold anything on the reliability of the information/drawings they have of the Oberth-class.
Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
The Oberth in my opinion is just too small to fit all the essentials in side that small primary hull. Yeah I'm sure that somewhere along the line Starfleet could fit a pretty powerful but small deflector but I seriously doubt in the 23rd century.
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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
The reason for the Miranda showing some Enterprise-II model displays in ST:II is probably because the Reliant bridge WAS the Enterprise bridge, just re-dressed. I dunno about ST:III, but I'd guess the same thing applies to the Grissom (although the Excelsior looked to be a differernt set).
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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Well, not all deflectors have to be able to do all the stuff that the E-D's can. It's probably just alot smaller.
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Not canon. Probably not perfect. But well worth a look for how the ship's interior might be arranged.
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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
But canon, but darn groovy!!
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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Man alive, these plans are SO COOL! The bridge is pretty nifty, too... And the whole thing is more proof that Canadians kick ass at Starship stuff.
Cool, man! Cool!
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I wonder how closely it matches the canon layout (which, unfortunately, we've never seen clearly enough)...?
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Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
At least the Canadians are good at something...
Not bad, if the Oberth's deflector isn't as good as the average ship than why even have the Oberth?
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