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Posted by TheF0rce (Member # 533) on :

Sorry....this was an arguement from another board.
but you won't believe how many people in the world believe that voyager was built to fight the borg or something.

the evidence that everyone said supported this did not came from the episodes after episodes of voyager beating the borg...but was claimed to have been said by Tom to Harry.

i have absolutely no recollection about this episode, so can anyone confirm this---apparently Harry was playing his clarenet and someone was bothered making a comment about voyager's walls...then Tom said the wall were built for combat not accustics or something????

the rest of the episode they were chasing some traiter jonas or something....

I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THIS EPISODE IS ABOUT

please doese anyone else remebers this???
I was pretty sure up to this point that intrepid class ships were built for medium exploration or scoutwork.

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

Yes, it's true. Tom say that the ship was made for combat performance. I don't know what the name of the episode is, but you did give a good description of it.

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Posted by TheF0rce (Member # 533) on :

so its true??
voyager and the intrepids in general are made for combat!??!?

holy smokes!

so much for federation not building many warships.
btw is it meant to fight the borg?

Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :

ALL front-line Starfleet vessels are built for "combat performance." C'mon, we've known that since the first time Kirk extolled the virtues of being captain 35 years ago.

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Posted by BlueElectron (Member # 281) on :

I'd say Voyager is "combat ready"

But warship?

The idea of building a "warship" is totally against Federation's believes.

And again, even though that Voyagers pocess many qualities found on a warship, such as its' weapon and defensive capabilites, however, there are still many design which does not qualify Voyager as a "pure" warship.

For example, too many windows, and there is a high percentage of internal space in a warship delicated to "war" purposes, Voyager clearly failed in this area. Further more, all energy sources on a warship should be made avaiable for combat purposes, again, Voyager failed in this area.

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Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :

It was the 2nd season episode "The Thaw", btw.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

Funny, the eps come in two's on tapes, I remember many titlepairs on the boxes. The episode after "The Thaw" was "Tuvix", right? "The Thaw"-"Tuvix", yep, the bell is ringing.

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Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :

Hmmm.... with ~30 torpedoes, Voyager doesn't seem like much of a compentent warship to me. Are her phasers Tpye-X?

Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

Re: Type X phasers... Yup... I forget which ep established it, though. Sometime in the Fifth season, I think.

Posted by JeffKardde (Member # 411) on :

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The idea of building a "warship" is totally against Federation's believes.

So, how do you explain the Defiant? Sure, they classified it as an "escort" ship, but Sisko admitted it was a warship in "The Search."

Posted by Nimrod (Member # 205) on :

And he was against it officially, but longed to kill a bunch of dominion bastards inofficially. Shooting a fleeing Galaxy class, harumph! (good for demoralizing, though)

The same with lying to the authorities. We could make the conclusion that ALL StarFleet officers love to lie to get what they want. Dirty turncoats! :-)
For example, Scotty's surprise that Geordi DIDN'T double the estimated worktime so as not to get stressed.
That's the only thing I hate about ST:VI (except for their pussy-inability to drink Romulan Ale) is that they must've done that pathetic "skippingSchool" manouver at least six times during the whole movie.

"Um, we may have some problems with communication, could take long to repair, over. heehee, that will fool those stupid people that are trying to tell us what to do. Whatcha call it, superiors?"

That's why I loved that scene in Voyager. Janeway wanted Torres to fix something during a crunch, I think Torres said "I need 3 hours". Janeway, assuming Torres was looking to buy time, said "You have ONE hour".
But Torres responded "No, I can't do it in one, I'm sorry. I MUST have three". That was cool, she really was dead serious. Kinda shexshy...

Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

On the Defiant... I think "The Search" made it abundantly clear that she was quite the exception to the rule. I mean, before the Defiant, the Galaxy was fairly clearly established as the nastiest thing Starfleet could send at baddies. Which is why I get incredibly pissed off at those who consider the Akira et al. as pre-Defiant warships. Starfleet doesn't build warships!

Posted by Nimrod (Member # 205) on :

And my point is that Defiant is the manifestation of Starfleet hypocrisy. The escort label was a bureaucratic attempt at staying kosher, they shouldn't even have tried to cover it. (Can I say kosher even if I'm not jewish? Or is that wrong to jews? I honestly don't know, please tell me)

When Kira said she thought Starfleet didn't believe in them, Sisko should've said "Well times change. We have to defend ourselves against the borg and the dominion." or something.
At least he would've been honest, because they really needed warships. When they don't, just dismantle them, it would be even greater cause for celebration.

Besides, it doesn't matter what Starfleet calls their ships if the other powers don't recognize the classifications, like Kruge's gunner in ST:III, when identifying the Enterprise.

I understand and respect the wish not to support war, but Starfleet ships are already powerful enough to function as war ships. Putting families on board and holosuites and steam baths is just details. Look what Captain Maxwell did to the cardassians...
"No, that was no warship, just an explorer vessel with guns that can level a city in seconds!"

Or if a romulan ship would be ambushed by 10 rogue Nova class ships, would the romulans say "We are being attacked by ten starfleet science vessels with mediocre armament!!!"
I'd bet more on fast scouts...

Posted by The Shadow (Member # 36) on :

I think it is evident that Starfleet equips its ships with excellent combat capabilities and that the "no warships" idea is merely the product of Starfleet's effective public-relations department.

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

If any Jews get mad because of the common use of the word "kosher", they're taking things way too seriously.

'Course, I type this as I listen to They Might Be Giants' "Kiss Me, Son of God": "I look like Jesus / So they say / But Mr. Jesus is very far away / Now you're the only one here / Who can tell me if it's true / That you love me / And I love me..."

Posted by Wes1701E (Member # 212) on :

It would go against Star Trek belifs if a ship was a warship made for fighting against other humans. Battles with evil alien races have always been a star trek plot device.

Posted by Light from a Cake (Member # 36) on :

What about fighting against the non-humans in Starfleet?

Posted by Wes1701E (Member # 212) on :

Oops. Not just humans, starfleet. But any millitary needs good warships because there are alien races out there that want to distroy the federation.

Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :

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But any millitary needs good warships because there are alien races out there that want to distroy the federation.

ANY military? Amazing. 55 years after the fact, Wes is able to give the Nazis a suitable excuse to break the Treaty of Versailles' proscription against Germany rebuilding their Navy. . . 8)

Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :

Whoever said Voyager has Type X phasers needs a swift backhand to the head.

It doesn't have Type X phasers, it was never established to have Type X phasers.

Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :

Exactamundo Seven Languages, I agree entirely that 'no warships' is just a Starfleet PR tag. If you really think about, Starfleet and Federation would've been utterly conquered long ago without them. They are a military force and have to defend and patrol a massive region of space, and over the years have accumulated a multitude of adversaries. Look at the defense forces such as Section 31.

I've always been a proponent of Starfleet's angle of adopting naval terms, in itself a military. we know all this. One of the pages on my site deals with ship designations. As well as a little creativity to fill in certain gaps and grey areas this is based on canon knowledge.

http://www.trekmania.net/the_fleet/utopia/DEFINITIONS.htm

Its a canon fact that Starfleet uses the terms Frigate, Cruiser, Escort and Destroyer. The latter three alone were used by Sisko in the DS9 Dominion war to describe Federation taskforces. Perhaps as Seven Languages suggests, all ships are adequately armed to deal with potential threats, and could quietly be described as potential ships of war. Voyager included.

Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :

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Perhaps as Seven Languages suggests, all ships are adequately armed to deal with potential threats, and could quietly be described as potential ships of war. Voyager included.

Werd, Commie Naval Dude. I've always thought that. Exploration first, defense secondary.

Frank is using me for a sig line. That, in my opinion, is not good. Espeically since I no longer do that. I now wake up thinking about madly sexualizing my girlfriend. And getting food. And caffeine. And figuring out exactly in whenwhere I am.

Posted by Cracker Soul (Member # 36) on :

Heh...I was just using it for the humor value, but fortunately I have many quotations to choose from.

Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :

:::wipes away sweat from brow::: Whew! I was worried for a moment that I was about to be ushered into some strange secret club...

Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :

"Whoever said Voyager has Type X phasers needs a swift backhand to the head.

It doesn't have Type X phasers, it was never established to have Type X phasers."

Oh. Okay. Hang on. Let me track down Rick Sternbach and smack him and tell him he's wrong about the ship he designed...

--Jonah

Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :

When and where did Rick say this?

Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :

Many times in his newsgroup.

--Jonah

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

His much lamented newsgroup, that is. Sigh and alas.