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Sorry....this was an arguement from another board. but you won't believe how many people in the world believe that voyager was built to fight the borg or something.
the evidence that everyone said supported this did not came from the episodes after episodes of voyager beating the borg...but was claimed to have been said by Tom to Harry.
i have absolutely no recollection about this episode, so can anyone confirm this---apparently Harry was playing his clarenet and someone was bothered making a comment about voyager's walls...then Tom said the wall were built for combat not accustics or something????
the rest of the episode they were chasing some traiter jonas or something....
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THIS EPISODE IS ABOUT
please doese anyone else remebers this??? I was pretty sure up to this point that intrepid class ships were built for medium exploration or scoutwork.
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Yes, it's true. Tom say that the ship was made for combat performance. I don't know what the name of the episode is, but you did give a good description of it.
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ALL front-line Starfleet vessels are built for "combat performance." C'mon, we've known that since the first time Kirk extolled the virtues of being captain 35 years ago.
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The idea of building a "warship" is totally against Federation's believes.
And again, even though that Voyagers pocess many qualities found on a warship, such as its' weapon and defensive capabilites, however, there are still many design which does not qualify Voyager as a "pure" warship.
For example, too many windows, and there is a high percentage of internal space in a warship delicated to "war" purposes, Voyager clearly failed in this area. Further more, all energy sources on a warship should be made avaiable for combat purposes, again, Voyager failed in this area.
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Funny, the eps come in two's on tapes, I remember many titlepairs on the boxes. The episode after "The Thaw" was "Tuvix", right? "The Thaw"-"Tuvix", yep, the bell is ringing.
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Re: Type X phasers... Yup... I forget which ep established it, though. Sometime in the Fifth season, I think.
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And he was against it officially, but longed to kill a bunch of dominion bastards inofficially. Shooting a fleeing Galaxy class, harumph! (good for demoralizing, though)
The same with lying to the authorities. We could make the conclusion that ALL StarFleet officers love to lie to get what they want. Dirty turncoats! :-) For example, Scotty's surprise that Geordi DIDN'T double the estimated worktime so as not to get stressed. That's the only thing I hate about ST:VI (except for their pussy-inability to drink Romulan Ale) is that they must've done that pathetic "skippingSchool" manouver at least six times during the whole movie.
"Um, we may have some problems with communication, could take long to repair, over. heehee, that will fool those stupid people that are trying to tell us what to do. Whatcha call it, superiors?"
That's why I loved that scene in Voyager. Janeway wanted Torres to fix something during a crunch, I think Torres said "I need 3 hours". Janeway, assuming Torres was looking to buy time, said "You have ONE hour". But Torres responded "No, I can't do it in one, I'm sorry. I MUST have three". That was cool, she really was dead serious. Kinda shexshy...
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On the Defiant... I think "The Search" made it abundantly clear that she was quite the exception to the rule. I mean, before the Defiant, the Galaxy was fairly clearly established as the nastiest thing Starfleet could send at baddies. Which is why I get incredibly pissed off at those who consider the Akira et al. as pre-Defiant warships. Starfleet doesn't build warships!
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And my point is that Defiant is the manifestation of Starfleet hypocrisy. The escort label was a bureaucratic attempt at staying kosher, they shouldn't even have tried to cover it. (Can I say kosher even if I'm not jewish? Or is that wrong to jews? I honestly don't know, please tell me)
When Kira said she thought Starfleet didn't believe in them, Sisko should've said "Well times change. We have to defend ourselves against the borg and the dominion." or something. At least he would've been honest, because they really needed warships. When they don't, just dismantle them, it would be even greater cause for celebration.
Besides, it doesn't matter what Starfleet calls their ships if the other powers don't recognize the classifications, like Kruge's gunner in ST:III, when identifying the Enterprise.
I understand and respect the wish not to support war, but Starfleet ships are already powerful enough to function as war ships. Putting families on board and holosuites and steam baths is just details. Look what Captain Maxwell did to the cardassians... "No, that was no warship, just an explorer vessel with guns that can level a city in seconds!"
Or if a romulan ship would be ambushed by 10 rogue Nova class ships, would the romulans say "We are being attacked by ten starfleet science vessels with mediocre armament!!!" I'd bet more on fast scouts...
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I think it is evident that Starfleet equips its ships with excellent combat capabilities and that the "no warships" idea is merely the product of Starfleet's effective public-relations department.
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If any Jews get mad because of the common use of the word "kosher", they're taking things way too seriously.
'Course, I type this as I listen to They Might Be Giants' "Kiss Me, Son of God": "I look like Jesus / So they say / But Mr. Jesus is very far away / Now you're the only one here / Who can tell me if it's true / That you love me / And I love me..."
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