Here we go again.
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
I may be reading your passage wrong, Bernd, but in your annotations for the Regula type, you say that the station had been used as Starbase 375 before "Blaze of Glory." In actuallity, it hadn't, because "Blaze of Glory" comes before "A Time to Stand," when we first saw Starbase 375. Other than that, it looks great.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Seems like you are still traumatized by "Unexpected". The K-7 station is labeled "D-7 Type"
"Starship Spotter" gives a diameter of 4600 and a height of 6900-6950 (depends on commtower) meters for Spacedock. It also gives 293.3 meters by 250.6 by 20 meters for MIDAS. And MIDAS stands for Mutara Inter-dimensional Deep-space-transponder Array (wow!).
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Its also supposed to be in the Mutara Sector...what is it with the last few Voyager seasons and the word Mutara? Given that this is the second prorotype/research type installation know to been in this sector, it is possible that Mutara is still restricted sector (takes permits many...)
Also there has been a name given to at least one type 3 Drydock, Earth Station Mckinley...Also an Earth station Bobruisk was mentioned but it wasn't seen so it wasn't necessarily a drydock at all.
There have also been a number of unseen stations mentioned...Deep Space 3 & 4, Starbase Earhart (although this could have been a surface installation), Xendi Starbase 9 (the Stargazer was towed here so it had to have some orbital facilities), station Nigala IV and Station Salem One (possibly destroyed). There may be more, but I don't remember.
Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
quote:In actuallity, it hadn't, because "Blaze of Glory" comes before "A Time to Stand," when we first saw Starbase 375.
Was it really not before season 6 that we saw the starbase?
quote:Seems like you are still traumatized by "Unexpected". The K-7 station is labeled "D-7 Type"
Oops. Thanks, Harry Freu(n)d.
quote:Also there has been a name given to at least one type 3 Drydock, Earth Station Mckinley...Also an Earth station Bobruisk was mentioned but it wasn't seen so it wasn't necessarily a drydock at all.
I mentioned McKinley only in the annotations because I think the station probably consists of more than this drydock. I assume that Bobruisk is on Earth's surface (at least the city Bobruisk is).
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
I've got a couple of missing stations here for you to add, Bernd:
- Calder II Science Station ("Gambit") - IIRC this is a Regula-type station
- Lantaru Sector Research Station ("The Omega Directive") - the display console briefly showed an image of the destroyed research station, and it was a Regula-type design
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
Nope, Bernd, we didn't see Starbase 375 before "A Time to Stand."
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
I don't understand why you're assigning different sections to the Orbital Office Complex, the Regula One station, and Starbase 375 types. They're all just modifications af a universal, modular design.
-MMoM Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
You make mention of "Episolon IX." Oops.
Also, since you mention other comm arrays, don't forget the Gamma Quadarnt comm hub on the other side of the wormhole (deployed 2371, destroyed end of 2373) since it's a rescaled use of the Amargosa model.
Posted by Phelps (Member # 713) on :
AMARGOSA
There is a size comparison sketch with the Ent-D in TNG Sketchbook. Also, we know the station has some weapons turrets underneath or on top (don't remember), as suggested by Eaves in the book.
ARGUS ARRAY
It's powered by eighteen fusion reactors, each reactor serving a single subspace antenna cluster. They're controlled by a single computer. This is from the dialogue in the script of "The Nth Degree". A plot point in the episode was that Barclay was able to simulatenously repair all eighteen by interfacing with the damaged Argus computer.
K-7
There were thirty decks to be searched according to the dialogue in "Trials and Tribble-ations", which is consistent with the overall height.
SPACEDOCK TYPE
Its dimensions are given as 15250' (4648m, height) and 12500' (3810m, width) in the Star Trek III ILM scale charts. Maybe you could mention this in an annotation.
[ December 15, 2001: Message edited by: Phelps ]
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Oh dear Bernd, that isn't like you. You've used an inacurate diagram, the type 3 dock only had four arms on the sauser section end and the habitat dome didn't have those two connecting pieces going aft. As for it being apart of a larger station, I think that given its size it easily qualifies as an independant station in its own right. Plus I'm sure that it was never indicated that there was more to Mckinley than what we saw.
MONKEY There is no way that those later starbases are anywhere near as small as the original obital office.
As a side note it may be interesting to include the station depicted on the painting in Picards quarters, if memory serves, it bears a striking resemblance to the partical fountain and the Qualor II station.
[ December 15, 2001: Message edited by: Reverend ]
Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
Just a thought, Bernd:
Since it would appear to be ST canon (it shows up in the credits for 'Enterprise' - why not also include the soon-to-be-completed Int'l Space Station?
BTW: Hi to everybody - just got back from a long absence.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
soon to be completed? I thought that thing wasn't going to be ready before 2005 or thereabouts.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I guess it depends upon how you define "completed". The way they keep cutting back, it may turn out that the way it is right now is going to be its final form...
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I believe the model in the credits includes modules that have already been canceled or indefinitely postponed. So it doesn't resemble what the real one will look like, in all likelyhood.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
I'd say that within five years is soon, as far as massive space construction projects go.
-MMoM Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
"Aside from the scaling problem I just can't believe that the Federation has such incredibly large stations in orbits around rather insignificant planets, and that neither the planets nor the stations (whose crew would most likely count in the millions) are ever mentioned again."
As insignificant as planets go, the system itself might be strategically important. As for the crazy size... What's a few million in the grand scheme of things? Would the TMP Spacedocks have enough room inside for a GCS to manuver?
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
A Galaxy wouldn't even fit in the door. The Enterprise was about as wide as the door in Star Trek III.
Posted by targetemployee (Member # 217) on :
In the second season of TNG, there was mention of a Star Station India.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I was going to mention Star Station India... what makes a STAR station? Is it a space station that is orbiting a star, instead of in orbit around a planet?
Wouldn't DS9 also be considered a Starfleet Space Station? (as well as Bajoran owned and Cardassian in design)?
Wasn't there also a station in orbit around Venus?
Andrew
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
There was a only erraforming mission going on on Venus, IIRC.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
I just remembered the appearance of the SB375-type station, from before "A Time To Stand." We saw a station like that in "Blaze of Glory" when it served as Eddington's prison. The scale is uncertain, since there weren't any ships seen in the vicinity.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I believe that DS9 is technically a starbase, as well as being a deep space station.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
What type of Regula-1 type space station was the one seen in "Parallels" of Deep Space 5 wasn't it?
Was the 'particle fountain' type space station seen in the Qualor II yards the space station that the Zackdorn was living in? Would they really tow a space station to a junk yard?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Depends on how big it is. I can easily see someone slapping a tractor beam onto one the size of the Regula station and towing it, or even just storing it inside some giant freighter. I don't recall if we got any sort of size comparison for the one at Qualor II, or whether it was lit up or just drifting.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
Typical... I do something, but Bernd manages to do it better! Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
Yes, Deep Space 5 was represented by Regula 1 in "Parallels." There was also a Starbase 47, represented by the cryosatellite model. That was also used on Relay Station 47. Now, I know t producers like to use 47 a lot, but is it a little suspicious that Starbase 47 and Relay Station 47 are the same design?
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
I forget... How were the four images on the screen in "Parallels" paired with the names? Did Worf point with a finger?
Couldn't it be that SB 47 was the starbase-shaped thingie, while the relay station was in fact the Deep Space Station? That way, there would be a more consistent style for starbases, while the Deep Space Stations 9 and 5 would both be based on "unexpected" hardware, perhaps setting another precedent?
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Based on Bernd's schematics and sizes, and some info from the Starship Spotter, I made this chart.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
"The studio model, without the lower cap, also appeared in TNG: "Unification" in the surplus depot at Qualor II, surprisingly before the episode "The Quality of Life". It seems the model had been built for a yet unknown purpose, and the Art Department didn't find it useful until the latter episode"
It could have been one of the Spacedock study models, of which a few were seen in "The Art of Star Trek".
Posted by OnToMars (Member # 621) on :
Watching TNG - ya'know, the one with Bernd's favorite aliens, the Talarians - and I saw something I must have seen a thousand times before. In Picard's quarters, he has a painting of a starbase. Looks sorta like Spacedock, but smaller. Shouldn't this be included?
Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
Didn't I post something about that a while back? Humm.... I can't find it here... must have been somewhere else.
Posted by pIn'a' Sov (Member # 293) on :
Actually, I think it�s a cool design, and please excuse the quality: My 'cap of Picard�s base Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
It looks like the particle mining station, or else one of the Spacedock studies.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
A little particle mining music if you please, maestro
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Is it me or my computer - or does that screen grab look awfully dark to anyone else?
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
It IS very dark.
Posted by mrneutron (Member # 524) on :
quote:Originally posted by pIn'a' Sov: Actually, I think it�s a cool design, and please excuse the quality: My 'cap of Picard�s base
Hmmm...I know Andy P. & Rick S. painted the picture of the 1701-D in Picard's office...I wonder who painted that station.
