Well, I'm struck with DITL's ratios, though I think it isn't very "balanced" Ok: Borg cube in FC stayed in red alert for 4 days. Assuming it needs some 200 Exawatts to power warp and shields... : It needs *at least* 500 thousands tons of antimatter(It needs to return)
So, if we'll go with mass of 100 millions tons... It's 1/200 of mass. Good. Now look at GCS: From 212 tons to 2000 tons. Far less ratio.
Ok, it doesn't matter much, but... If Cubes were really loaded with such hell load of fuel, they should've exploding as hell... We'we seen Galaxies exploding easily by damage to antimatter containment, and if Cube has a hell lot higher ratio... They should explode by just several torp hits into hull...
Damn, sorry for stupid topic, but it at least not nitpicking...
[ December 31, 2001: Message edited by: Nevod ]
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
What...the...bloody...hell?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Nevod, some of us are having problems deciphering your typing. Where are you from? Knowing that may help us understand your grammatical patterns.
Mark
Posted by Nevod (Member # 738) on :
I'm from Russia... So grammatic pattern can be almost random...
Posted by StyroFoam Man (Member # 706) on :
Well, I can vouch for the randomness... I helped tutor a russian exchange student several years ago. Nevod: I can understand you just fine. Do ya have ICQ or MIRC?
Now as for the Exploding Borg Cubes:
I figure either A) They don't use antimatter B) the antimatter load is so distrubited that one hit won't vent all of it at once. C) They have some type of hyper advanced antimatter containment, or D) Prehaps they generate it as they need it.
Pick one and run with it! Posted by Nevod (Member # 738) on :
quote:Originally posted by StyroFoam Man: Do ya have ICQ or MIRC?
No
quote: Now as for the Exploding Borg Cubes: I figure either A) They don't use antimatter
Well, the most plausible one... But what kind of power source?
quote: B) the antimatter load is so distrubited that one hit won't vent all of it at once.
If it's distributed in 1- gram pellets, ok... But then, how they can use it?
quote: C) They have some type of hyper advanced antimatter containment
And it can protect against antimatter explosions? Must be very massive.
quote: D) Prehaps they generate it as they need it.
Then they need a HELLUVA lot of fusion fuel to generate antimatter...
[ January 01, 2002: Message edited by: Nevod ]
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Not to mention that the last scheme would be pointless.
Posted by StyroFoam Man (Member # 706) on :
Well, in the Star Trek RPG that I play "our" Borg use a super-avanced form of quantum-flux power-tap, and a singularity-based fusion system for aux power.
It ain't cannon, but then again I play with a bunch of engineers so I had to come up with somthing!!!
We're mostly harmless. No funny assholes (apart from me... ) like that Major Whats-his-name...
Posted by Nevod (Member # 738) on :
Well, ZPE is right, but if it's hyper-advanced... Then you'll be able to screw planets with Borg Sphere
Fusion singularity? Just singularity is good, but it still needs a lot of fuel to work..
Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
Rick Sternbach used to say that Borg cubes tap directly into subspace for both power and propulsion. We know now that they use transwarp, but there's no reason they can't use a subspace power tap.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Its still possible that they use subspace for normal warp and sublight speed....or is it?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Er...yes, of course?
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
There is no canon information about Borg cube's a)power source b)power requirements c)power capacity. If DITL's figures are confusing you, I suggest you disregard them. They are speculation anyway.
Nobody here has heard much in the way of how many exawatts a Borg cube uses while at red alert for how long, mainly because thats fanfic-treknology. (Re:"What the bloody hell post").
Heres some helpful hints we can gain from paying attention to technical details that arent derived from fanboy-websites: Borg cubes have no detectable reactor system. Data says he can detect no specialized energy producing assemblies in 'Q-Who' i belive. BoBW expanded on this with the energy tap system, which reveals that glowing nodes are the source of there power. It is decentralized so that destroying many of them doesnt affect the Borg (but they do notice, as Shelby found out). According to Sternbach, the tech staff assumed these nodes tapped into supspace domain for power. They probably dont contain antimatter, or anything volatile, judging by the away teams continued existence following the destruction of several nodes in BOBW. (this might rule out singularities as well). In fact, no mention has ever been made of the Borg using antimatter i believe (im not sure though).
And the Borg definitely DO use subspace for normal warp speed. While we've seen them popping in and out of transwarp after Descents and VGR, all of the warp 9 chases in 'Q-Who' and 'BoBW' were in standard warp space (otherwise the enterprise would not have been able to follow them).
[ January 01, 2002: Message edited by: CaptainMike ]
Posted by Jack_Crusher (Member # 696) on :
With all of the species they have assimilated, I would think the Borg would have found a more efficient and powerful power source.
Posted by Michael_T (Member # 144) on :
The Borg are part organic, so maybe the collective assimilated a species who's technology is similar to Species 8472's organic tech.
Posted by Joshua Bell (Member # 327) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ryan McReynolds: Rick Sternbach used to say that Borg cubes tap directly into subspace for both power and propulsion. We know now that they use transwarp, but there's no reason they can't use a subspace power tap.
Ooh! Ooh!
Given "Endgame" [VOY] we could hypothesize that each cube contains a micro-conduit back to a nearby Transwarp hub (or the Transwarp network or...) and gets all of the energy it needs from the power generation system of the network. The hub appeared to orbit a star so there would be plenty of free energy for the taking.
The power available to a cube would be limited only by the throughput of the micro-conduit. This would explain the enormous amount of energy available to a cube without requiring storage or generation on site.
The conduit could also double as a communications channel.
No evidence, of course. Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
Possibly thats what those individual power nodes could be for.. each one was a power input through transwarp back to a star or other power source. Funneling a shipload of energy would be a little tough (and unBorglike, given their knack for noncentralized-ness).. but if each node provided 1/1,000,000th of the ships power, that would satisfy all of the facts we have at our disposal as a theory. How much energy or what it does is still up in the air. I like the idea of the energy being derived from a widespread source (like other domains of subspace) because the centralized-sun theory seems unBorglike too.. (but then again, by that logic, a queen seems too centralized too).. and if the hub was the source of the Borg's power, then 'Endgame'
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might have meant the end of the Borg for good, even though we thought that way back when the queen died the first time in FC
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
I still like my 'Matrix' theory: The Borg Cubes are powered by the drones.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
The lack of giant exercise wheels aboard Borg vessels would seem to discredit that.
Not to mention that the drones canonically feed off the ship's energy, not vice versa.
And not to mention that you wouldn't get enough electrical energy from a bunch of humanoids to cook a decent meal, much less warp space, blow big things up, or kill all humans.
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