Just about the different effects of photon torpedoes, I'm going on record to say I LOVE the 'shards of light' torpedoes from TOS movies and HATE the 'blobs' from FC and Insurrection.
About the 'shards of light versions' did we see any in Generations?? Did the Enterprise-D use Photons in that battle?? Or were the two ships too close together!?!
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Y'know, I believe the "shards" torpedo was indeed used by the E-D in "Generations". Well... It musta been atmospheric diffusion. Yeah, that's it.
Mark
Posted by mrneutron (Member # 524) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Just about the different effects of photon torpedoes, I'm going on record to say I LOVE the 'shards of light' torpedoes from TOS movies and HATE the 'blobs' from FC and Insurrection.
The best the torpedoes ever looked was in TMP, and that's mostly because they weren't animated, as they are everywhere else. A 20-watt laser was shot through a rotating crystal in a smoke room, hence all the shifting shafts of light. Someone needs to write a CGI renderer that simulates this. Posted by Mojo (Member # 536) on :
Go take another look at the torpedos in Trek 6, they look VERY nice. Close to TMP style but a bit more refined, IMHO.
Posted by Nevod (Member # 738) on :
Plus, what about the detonations? (All these explosions looks unrealistic, IMHO)
Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
I watched Generations again yesterday and IIRC the aft torp fired by the D did have the "shards of light" effect.
Posted by mrneutron (Member # 524) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mojo: Go take another look at the torpedos in Trek 6, they look VERY nice. Close to TMP style but a bit more refined, IMHO.
Hate to disagree with ya, but the torps in ST6 just didn't look as powerful as the ones in TMP. IMHO it's the difference between using real light v. animation.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
I thought the TMP torpedoes were weedy blue things, it wasn't until TWOK that they became the beefy red ones we know and love...however I think the klingon torps in TMP were the original red shardy type. The E-D definatly did fire the old kind of torpedo. A technical explanation could do with how fast a torp is set to go, notice the "Shards of light" kind tend to travel reletivly slowly, while the blobs move quite fast.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
One would think that should be the other way 'round...
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
The Thunderchild's photons in First Contact were relatively "shardy," too. Not quite Star Trek VI-shardy, but considerably more prickly and random-looking than what the E-D pumped out.
Posted by Mojo (Member # 536) on :
I also really liked the look of standard Fed torpedos in FC - they are pretty much what I modeled mine after.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Bugger Mojo - that is one thing that pissed me off about that battle scene - were those orange (basically featureless) blobs...
As I said I loved the 'shards of light' photons (which I reckon aren't OLDER types just what we SHOULD have seen in TNG, except for the tight budget. - thus the return in Generations to the "SoL" type - cause they had more money.)
I loved how the 'shards' lit up everything as they "twirled" (can't think of a better word for what they did.) We had them in TMP, TFF and "Flashback" - those I know for sure.
Posted by mrneutron (Member # 524) on :
quote:Originally posted by Reverend: I thought the TMP torpedoes were weedy blue things...
Only the Enterprise's torpedo was blue. I was referring to the red torpedoes fired by the Klingons at the start of the film.
Posted by Mojo (Member # 536) on :
I'll upload a picture of what my torpedo effect looks like... I dare anyone to tell me it's just blobby!
Dax, can you hear me? I want to display a new pic!!
I have one question - why green? It looks like something belonging to the Breen/Klingons/Romulans.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Looks like that big "TEST" in the background is about to get blown up. Too bad I couldn't do that to my thesis reports when I'm done with 'em.
Spiffy stuff, Mojo! I take it that this is a Klingon torpedo. Among things, it could also make a neat wallpaper for my monitor.
Mark
Posted by Mojo (Member # 536) on :
Actually, I figured it was a Borg torpedo. They had some on Voyager, didn't they?
Although this effect was based on the ones in First Contact, I think it has a similar, streaky feel to the Motion Picture torpedos.
This is what you'll be seeing in the book, so if you prefer a different effect, I suggest preparing your Colorforms Photon Torpedo kit now!
Mojo
Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
Funny but I didn't think of the Borg. I guess I was thinking in DS9 rather than VOY terms. Anyway, seems reasonable for a Borg torp. IIRC the original Delta Flyer was destroyed by Borg torps if you need a reference.
I watched First Contact again yesterday and I took special attention of the photorps. They do have a slight spiking effect but it's only really noticeable with the final salvo against the cube.
It's worth mentioning that I liked the look of the Quantorps in the movie. The lens flare type effect was cool. In all honesty though, I don't usually pay that much attention to the way torpedos look.
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
Well, Sol's the resident expert on the various glowing things that come out of Borg cubes, but I'm pretty sure that nothing shot by the Borg has ever been termed a torpedo.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
Borg seemed to tractors and beam-weapons in space battles.
However, in their first appearance, the used a shield draining charge that might be looked at a torpedo (of a sort anyway), and in FC they were using pulses of weapons that could be considered torpedolike for the orbital bombardment of Montana
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Actually, I figured it was a Borg torpedo. They had some on Voyager, didn't they?"
You're asking us?! *L*
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
We saw Borg "torpedoes" all the time. The renegade Borg ship in "Descent" used 'em. The Tactical Cube used 'em. The BoBW cube used some sort of energy pulse to blow up those Mars Perimeter ships. The "First Contact" cube used something similar too, often blowing up ships with a single shot.
So in terms of continuity, I'm sure Mojo could get away with showing the Borg use their yellow cutting beam and their green torpedo/pulse thing...
Mark
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I'm an expert in something, finally!
My list of Borg weaponry, observed:
Cutting beam--used to carve a ship up, or take samples, or to write "345 of 470 was here" on the sides of icy comets. Tractor beam--not just good for stopping ships, it can also disintegrate them, perhaps (note, this is a patented Sol System interpretation, ask me about our free newsletter if you're interested) Shield-draining weapon--fired in short bursts, this weapon shuts down shields without damaging what's underneath Magnetically guided charges--a simple explosive device Energy bolt--a generic greenish blast, similar to a disruptor bolt Energy beam--presumably a Borg version of the standard phaser Forced plasma beam--hand held weapon
I've got pictures of most of these in action, if anyone is interested.
Also, no torpedos, aside from the guided charges. But that's an artefact of my list-making protocol, which involved not assigning...physicality to a projectile unless specifically mentioned.
Posted by Proteus (Member # 212) on :
Personally, I like the oval blue-white quantiums the most. You cant ever have enough blue.
Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
I think this photon effect is perfect, whatever colors are used for whatever races need it.
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