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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
Once more...

I think I've been confused on this. I've just found that the VHS closed-captioning makes no mention of this ship at all. Now, what did the CC on the DVD say? Does it not mention this ship either? Does it say Madison or Manson? And does the DVD CC say Lexington or Lexicon? (VHS says Lexicon.)

I know this has been gone over many times, but could someone please clarify once more for me?

Thanks,
-MMoM

[ January 27, 2002, 14:29: Message edited by: The Mighty Monkey of Mim ]
 

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Posted by USS Vanguard (Member # 130) on :
 
It sounded like Manson, so that's what people went with. The DVD subtitles say "Madison" so that's what people go with now, though it could be either or neither. Personally, I like Madison, as I prefer not to have a ship named Manson even if it was a perfectly normal name before the crazies took it (Garbage's lead singer excepted).
 

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Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
 
I like "Manson" better, even if "Madison" is the capital of my state...
 

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Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
 
Or, go here .
Just click on "Classless Ships" and go down to "USS Manson." There should be a WAV file you can open. Judge for yourself what Captain Luxby says.

[ January 27, 2002, 15:08: Message edited by: Veers ]
 

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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
But the CC does say Madison? This is the honest-to-god truth? Okay then.

What about the Lexington/Lexicon? What does the DVD CC say?
 

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Posted by Ace (Member # 389) on :
 
That has to be a mistake. Why would you name the ship USS Vocabulary or USS Dictionary?
 

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Posted by Ace (Member # 389) on :
 
EDIT: Double Post. Oh well, might as well use it...

Isn't the Nebula class USS Lexington assumed to have been at the FC battle?

[ January 27, 2002, 20:07: Message edited by: Ace ]
 

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Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
 
Yes, which is derived from the whole point of this thread...Lexington or Lexicon. The former is heard distinctly while VHS copies CC it as the latter. Besides we see only one Nebula there and most likely it was never relabeled from it's last appearance as the Leeds, so we can say the Leeds was there. (Mim says otherwise)
 

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Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
 
to me it sounds like Madison, not Manson. i think i can make out an "i" sound in the middle of the word, something that "Manson" definitely doesn't have. besides, i think that James Madison is more likely to have a starfleet ship after him than anyone i can think of who has the last name Manson.

--jacob
 

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Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
 
Peter Manson, noted 22nd century Geophysicist perhaps.
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Depends on the person saying "Madison" though - some people clip their words and could say "Mad-sen" instead of MAD-I-SON

I would say Lexington before LEXICON - we've heard of the Lexington before - and lexicon doesn't make sense as a name for a starship - when we've got the option of "Lexington". If there was nothing else that sounded similar then I'd go with Lexicon, but we have the option of "Lexington" - I known Federation Starship.
 

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Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
 
Madsen? Virginia or Michael? 8)
 

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Posted by Proteus (Member # 212) on :
 
On a related note, was that Kelsey Grammars voice also in that sequence.. i forgot what he says..
 

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
One word: "Acknowledged."
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
(I know your post was probably a joke) but...

no, no - still "MADISON" just the speaker didn't say MAD-I-SON but probably "Madsen" or "Madisn" or something.

Oh and has that been confirmed by Kelsey Grammar/er? himself!?!
 

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Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
 
I don't know if it has ever been confirmed, and it's not listed under the IMDb entry for "First Contact."
 

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Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
 
That's the thing - it WAS for a while. I remember posting a thread about it, either here or at TNO; the mention (and the credit, both on the IMDB FC page and on Grammer's own page there) has since vanished. Presumably as it was subsequently proven to be incorrect.

I seem to recall there was also another claim on that page that Avery Brooks had filmed a sequence with Worf on DS9 prior to the Defiant leaving. . . I think that's also gone (I haven't checkled recently).
 

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
One of the claims about Kelsey Grammer was that he recorded his line on a tape recorder while sitting on the toilet...
 

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Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
 
I remermber seeing it on IMDB. And hearing it in the movie, i am sure it was kelsey grammar. I remember presenting my friends with a theory of how they convinced him to do it.

*phone rings*

KG: Hello?

Studio: Hey Kelsey.. would you do an uncredited unpaid voiceover cameo in First Contact? If you dont want to just say 'Acknowledged'

*click*

KG: Acknowledged.

Studio: OK, sorry to bother you.

*click*
 

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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
LOL!

WHAT DID THE DVD CC SAY, LEXINGTON OR LEXICON???

A straight answer, please...

-MMoM
 

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Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
 
lol

*yeah, i know, a waste of a post*
 

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Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
 
LOL!
(I think that's enough "LOLs" for now...)
 

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 

"WHAT DID THE DVD CC SAY, LEXINGTON OR LEXICON???"

Yes.
 

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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
I'm going to try once more to get a clear, definitive answer, before I just go rent the firgging DVD myself...

I'll make it easy. Multiple choice.

What did the FC DVD CC say:

a. Madison and Lexington
b. Madison and Lexicon
c. Manson and Lexington
d. Manson and Lexicon
e. (no mention of Madison/Manson) and Lexington
f. (no mention of Madison/Manson) and Lexicon

Which one was it? As I said, the VHS CC was f.

Thanks,
-MMoM

[ January 29, 2002, 18:29: Message edited by: The Mighty Monkey of Mim ]
 

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Posted by Proteus (Member # 212) on :
 
a.

http://flare.solareclipse.net/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=001591
 

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Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
 
Try this one. I found it on my HD, don't know where it comes from, but it's old, very old.

Uploaded it to my page



What I heard:

Voice: '26-10' (?)
Voice (maybe the same): '42 wounded on the Lexington'
Voice (female): 'This is Commander Luxby of the Manson...'
Loud voice: 'Help me!'

In other words: c

[Edit:] Wll, the upload-and-link-thing doesn't work. So here's the link. Copy and paste...

http://www.geocities.com/cpt_kyle_amasov/madison.mp3

[ February 03, 2002, 14:39: Message edited by: Cpt. Kyle Amasov ]
 

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Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
 
I hear "22 wounded on the Lexington", and "Commander Luxby on the Manson" But more Mansonish than Madisonish, yes.

[ February 03, 2002, 15:04: Message edited by: The_Tom ]
 

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Posted by Phelps (Member # 713) on :
 
I also hear Manson, but the first part is either Lexic or Lexicon! It can't be easily confused since the first two syllables in question are Leck-sic vs. Leck-sin.

[ February 03, 2002, 16:22: Message edited by: Phelps ]
 

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
It's not "26-10". It's "96 dead, 22 wounded on the Lexington". And the low quality leaves the Madison/Manson debate open, because, really, both would sound pretty much the same.
 

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Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
 

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Originally posted by TSN:
It's not "26-10". It's "96 dead, 22 wounded on the Lexington". And the low quality leaves the Madison/Manson debate open, because, really, both would sound pretty much the same.

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