My first shiplist, beta-version. It features all Starfleet ships from 2151+. Not included are TAS and Enterprise at the moment. (Different reasons, see the notes). Feel free to post your comments and feedback. Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
The Cairo was also in "Pre-emptive Strike," as the ship that brought the Admiral to the Enterprise. See the ship's entry in the Encyclopedia's ship chart.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
quote:USS Challenger 12) Interestingly, the registry is lower that the registry of the class-ship, USS Galaxy.
71099 is lower than 70637?
Posted by USS Vanguard (Member # 130) on :
I thought it was USS Bonchune, not USS Bochune?
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
That's S�o Paulo, IIRC. And the registry would be NX-74205, not NX-47205.
USS Rutledge, not USS Ruthledge.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
Added/corrected everything, thanks. Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
Just added information about the casualties-display in 'In the Pale Moonlight' and 'The Siege of AR-558' and found out the Akagi's registry was wrong. Must have been a typo, I checked the display and the tachyon display and the Encyclopedia entry and they all gave the same registry.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Here are the TAS ships:
S.S. Ariel "The Eye of the Beholder" (This is a Starfleet ship. Her crew members wore SF uniforms. You can probably go ahead and give it a 'U.S.S.' prefix. The 'S.S.' was not mentioned onscreen, only given in Bjo Trimble's Star Trek Concordance.)
S.S. Bonaventure NCC-S2100 Bonaventure-class "The Time Trap" (Again, obviously a SF ship from the pennants/sinage/registry#/decor/etc. 'S.S.' again not mentioned onscreen, but is rather a holdover from fandom sources, and is also given in the Concordance. It may be correct still though, as we now know from ENT that SF used the S.S. prefix in its early days. The designation of "Bonaventure-class" is also a holdover from fandom, but is supported by the fact that the ship was talked of in the episode as if it were the first of its kind. 'S' in registry number probably stands for 'survey vessel'.)
U.S.S. Huron NCC-F1913 "The Pirates of Orion" (Ship was called 'S.S. Huron' in the dialogue, but was labeled 'U.S.S. Huron' on the hull, which makes much more sense, as it is DEFINITELY a Starfleet ship. Old fandom sources would give this ship a designation of Independence-class. [As well as an erroneous registry number of NCC-F1313...] The 'F' in the reg probably stands for 'freighter'.)
U.S.S. Potemkin NCC-1657 Constitution-class "The Pirates of Orion" (Same ship as from TOS and TUC.)
NCC-G1465 "More Tribbles, More Troubles" (No name visible. 'G' probably stands for 'grain hauler'. Old fandom source give the class as Sherman-class.)
NCC-G1495 "More Tribbles, More Troubles" (See notes above.)
-MMoM Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
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Wow, thanks, Mim! I'll add them either later today or tomorrow. Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
You're welcome.
BTW, about the Valkyrie. It was not the ship in "Redemption". Our pal The Red Admiral got a sreencap that showed that ship was the Hathaway. I'll see about posting it later.
-MMoM Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
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I heard that too, but I also saw a picture of the model labeled 'Valkyrie' with the right registry. You could clearly make out the name 'Hathaway', faded out, but still readable below the new name. I assumed they relabeled the model 'Valkyrie' but left out the registry or just relabeled the bottom of the saucer or something like that. If not, we'd have another Trinculo here. Who renames the ships all the time only to present them at some exhibition or restaurant?
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov: If not, we'd have another Trinculo here.
Too late.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
quote:If not, we'd have another Trinculo here. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Too late.
In that, in all likelihood, the Valkyrie name and registry materialized specifically for the exhibits and was never filmed. Especially since we seem to be concluding that the Constie model stayed Hathaway from 'Peak Performance' until its final appearance in 'Redemption', based on a screencap.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
Can anyone confirm the Merrimack being in 'Birthright'?
I'm not sure if I sould add the Hathaway to 'Redemption'. Mim, can you post that picture, pleeeaaase?
The Monitor was mentioned by some obscure Admiral-of-the-week in 'Generations' (the official game, not the movie). After you messed your assignment up and Soran destroyed to several suns, she contacts you and tells you to report back to command, and the Monitor is ordered to complete the mission. Should I add it? Or just a note? I know games are a difficult area, but this one is somehow official, if you know what I mean.
Anything known about the display in Generations, in the stellar cartography? The one where the computer obviously listed the Bozeman as being forced to change her course after the Armagosa-collapse? Any new information perhaps?
Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: It may be correct still though, as we now know from ENT that SF used the S.S. prefix in its early days.
Enterprise has never used the SS prefix for any ship. All we have is ECS (Earth Cargo Ship, probably) for the Fortunate and Horizon.
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
Wasn't it the SS Conestoga?
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
I think the only place where 'SS' appeared was the early information about the ship. But since the Enterprise has no prefix at all and the other ships mentioned had ECS, the SS is still a 'TOS-and-beyon'-era designation.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
And Braga specifically stated that NX-01 rightfully had no prefix, in ST: Communicator.
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
Oh, it's definitely not SS Enterprise, yes. That's wrong and stupid and all that. But I'm pretty sure the Conestoga had an SS prefix.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
But Mim apparently really likes the SS prefix (see his shiplist)
On this shiplist, i notice that Cpt. has the USS Dauntless NX-01. While I wholeheartedly agree, the possibility should be recognized that the Dauntless was NCC-01.
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
Or, the even more likely possibility that it never existed.
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
quote:In that, in all likelihood, the Valkyrie name and registry materialized specifically for the exhibits and was never filmed. Especially since we seem to be concluding that the Constie model stayed Hathaway from 'Peak Performance' until its final appearance in 'Redemption', based on a screencap.
Yes, Mike, I think you're right.
Here's the situation for "Redemption"(IIRC): Four ships were shown on screen. The Enterprise, an Ambassador, a Constellation, & a Nebula.
The Ambassador was referred to as the Excalibur, but was actually labelled Zhukov, as it's the same shot from "Data's Day" only with more ships imposed. (And I believe there's a later shot of the ship using stock footage from "Yesterday's Enterprise," so it's also the Ent-C. I believe the model was re-labeled as "Yamaguchi" for Emissary, and that TPTB wanted to use it at the end of Generations.
The Constellation was never given a spoken name, but had "Hathaway" on the hull from it's previous use. Surprisingly, the Hathaway was not listed on the tachyon grid screen (probably because it was supposed to be decommissioned by this time). This was the last time a Constellation appeared in the series.
The Nebula was, of course, the Sutherland, the name both spoken in dialogue and written on the model.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dukhat: The Ambassador was referred to as the Excalibur, but was actually labelled Zhukov, as it's the same shot from "Data's Day" only with more ships imposed. (And I believe there's a later shot of the ship using stock footage from "Yesterday's Enterprise," so it's also the Ent-C. I believe the model was re-labeled as "Yamaguchi" for Emissary, and that TPTB wanted to use it at the end of Generations.
Well, the model was at one point labeled as the Excalibur. Look at this pic.
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
Here is some confirmation, Amasov, from the encyclopedia:
Rudman, Commander . Officer on the Starship Merrimac . ("Birthright, Part I [TNG])
I know there is supposed to be a "k" there, but there isn't one in the encyclopedia. Also, the Merrimack isn't listed anywhere else in the book as being mentioned in "Birthright." It was robably heard over a PA system on DS9.
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
I should also point out the Light-up Ambassador model by AMT/ERTL includes decals for both the USS Excalibur and USS Yamaguchi. It's an Ambassador Mk. II (the upgraded version).
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
The labelling for the Excalibur was for "Redemption II". We see her in the pullback shot when the fleet departs the starbase.
Mark
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by CaptainMike: And Braga specifically stated that NX-01 rightfully had no prefix, in ST: Communicator.
quote:Originally posted by The_Tom: Oh, it's definitely not SS Enterprise, yes. That's wrong and stupid and all that.
Nope. Regardless of what Braga said, the new ship's official copyrighted name is S.S. Enterprise. I go with that.
-MMoM Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Here's that Redemption cap. Copy & paste the link.
As you can see, the registry is NCC-2593, not NCC-2590.
-MMoM Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
I knew that Mim would fit his pattern of hearing what is actually the truth and then disregarding it for his own belief.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
What truth? My source is as good as yours. You trust whatever comes out of our pal Brannon's mouth, and I trust the U.S. government tademark & copyright office.
For now, at least. Of course, if it ever gets stated in the show somewhere or gets confirmed in an official reference source (of course, I mean other than just an interview with someone like Braga) I'll gladly accept it and shut up. But for now I certainly hope it will just end up as one of those silly little insights from the producer that come to be ignored, like Roddenberry's statement that the TOS-era Starfleet had no enlisted personnel, only officers, and other such assorted crap.
-MMoM Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
My source is the bow of the ship, the top line of the dedication plaque, the collected scripts of the first 15 hours of the shows AND Brannon Braga.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
quote:Originally posted by Veers: Here is some confirmation, Amasov, from the encyclopedia:
Rudman, Commander . Officer on the Starship Merrimac . ("Birthright, Part I [TNG])
I know there is supposed to be a "k" there, but there isn't one in the encyclopedia. Also, the Merrimack isn't listed anywhere else in the book as being mentioned in "Birthright." It was robably heard over a PA system on DS9.
Wow, never saw the encyclopedia entry. Commander Rudman. Hmmm...
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