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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Wraith</b> <br /><small>Member # 779</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,2,3,7,42,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 03, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:42 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Do we know of any vessels that were built in between the movie era and TNG apart from the Ambassador class? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>MinutiaeMan</b> <br /><small>Member # 444</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,2,3,7,59,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 03, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:59 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Depends on how you define the TNG era.<br /><br />The Excelsior-class was built in large numbers sometime before the 2340's -- the NCC-42xxx numbers.<br /><br />The Niagra (or one ship) had a NCC-28xxx number -- some people have speculated that the ship didn't originally have Galaxy-class nacelles, but originally had Ambassador-style ones.<br /><br />Other ships like the unseen Merced-class are probably in the Ambassador era as well. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Harry</b> <br /><small>Member # 265</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,2,3,10,4,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 03, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:04 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Here's a list of ships in the post-movie/pre-TNG era (roughly described as the ships in the 2000-50000 range)<br /><br />- Constelllation (19xx-3xxx; 71xx-9xxx)<br />- Excelsior (2xxx-25xx; 13xxx-14xxx; 38xxx-42xxx)<br />- Deneva (62xx)<br />- Antares (10xxx) (<font color="red"><b>DO NOT DISCUSS!!</b></font> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> )<br />- Ambassador (105xx; 26xxx)<br />- Apollo (115xx-125xx)<br />- Oberth (0-infinity)<br />- Hokule'a (19xxx)<br />- Wambundu (203xx)<br />- Miranda (18xx; 21xxx-31xxx)<br />- Niagara (28xxx) (yes, I believe in the Niagara's with Ambassodor style nacelles, perhaps even originally with only two)<br />- Surak (33xxx)<br />- Istanbul (34xxx)<br />- Merced (37xxx)<br />- Mediterranean (43xxx)<br />- Renaissance (45xxx)<br />- "Shelley" (45xxx)<br /><br />And then we enter the realm of the Steamrunners, Akiras, early Galaxites, Olympics and that sort of stuff. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Wraith</b> <br /><small>Member # 779</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,2,3,11,32,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 03, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:32 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I would describe TNG era as anything from 2355 onwards. Movie era is anything seen in the first 6 films (and the Enterprise-B). I was wondering if there could be any 'Trek' reason for the scarcity of vessels from this time period? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Harry</b> <br /><small>Member # 265</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,2,3,12,1,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 03, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:01 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Ehm, yes.. There were no movies or series between the movies and the later series... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <br /><br />And canonically speaking, nothing *ever* indicated that there was a scarcity of ships in that era.<br /> <br /> <small>[ March 03, 2002, 12:02: Message edited by: Harry ]</small> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Wraith</b> <br /><small>Member # 779</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,2,3,12,26,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 03, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:26 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I meant a scarcity of ships built in that period seen in series/films set later. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Cpt. Kyle Amasov</b> <br /><small>Member # 742</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,2,3,12,50,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 03, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:50 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by MinutiaeMan:<br /><strong>The Niagra (or one ship) had a NCC-28xxx number -- some people have speculated that the ship didn't originally have Galaxy-class nacelles, but originally had Ambassador-style ones.<br /><br /></strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks for the idea. If I had have more time, I would have redone the entire ship (I only updated the phylons to match the nacelles color), but for now, here's my kitbashed version of the 'Niagassador' (or 'Ambassadara'?). <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <br /><br /><a href="http://www.geocities.com/cpt_kyle_amasov/Oldniagsm.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/cpt_kyle_amasov/Oldniagsm.jpg</a> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> <br /><small>Member # 31</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,2,3,13,19,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 03, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:19 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Wraith: But such a scarcity doesn't exist. Look at all those ships Harry listed. They're all ones we learned about from TNG-era series. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Timo</b> <br /><small>Member # 245</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,2,3,22,20,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 03, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:20 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> And in comparison, we only learned of five ship classes in the movie era - and of those, two (the Constellation and the Sydney) were introduced in TNG. The movies themselves only gave us the Constitution-refit, the Miranda and the Oberth. Oh, and the Excelsior, but apparently the time for that design hadn't come yet - the Excelsior-family ships we see in DS9 have registries beyond 40000 (and either belong to some of the classes listed by Harry, or then possibly to as yet unheard-of classes).<br /><br />I guess the Ambassador design "family" had a similar fate - the Ambassadors were built first, in the NCC 10000 range, but proved too advanced for the era, and the "family" only followed many, many NCCs later. The so far unassigned 30000-range classes like Merced or Surak could represent the Ambassador family - or then there never was such a family, as the Galaxy designs usurped its place in the 57000+ range. Those got built "out of order" for some reason, so to say - the smaller varied ships *before* the big Galaxies.<br /><br />Timo Saloniemi <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Fedaykin Supastar</b> <br /><small>Member # 704</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,2,4,5,18,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 04, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:18 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> i dont mean to side-track, (yeah right) but i (think) i know that there is a small group of ppl who believe in a era-based chronological registry (i dont know the proper term for it, if there was one) but a system where ships are given registries (upon build order) wit the starting number being unique to a particular period of time. also meaning that even tho a ship was designed and then ordered to be built during a certain era..it doesnt actually get built (and probly had its design upgraded) until later so the number got 'reserved' trying to explain inconsistencies with registry numbers and the physical appearance of the ship...<br /><br />well just my viewpoint...just wondered how many people who susbcribed to the same belief./..if its just me...then well so be it hehe<br /><br />Buzz <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Wraith</b> <br /><small>Member # 779</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,2,4,10,23,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 04, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:23 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> OK, I'll give u that there is no shortage of ship classes from this era but how many have we actually seen:<br /><br />- Constelllation (19xx-3xxx; 71xx-9xxx)<br />This still uses movie era tech (warp nacelles, saucer design).<br /><br />- Excelsior (2xxx-25xx; 13xxx-14xxx; 38xxx-42xxx)<br />First seen in the movies.<br /><br />- Deneva (62xx)<br />Never seen<br /><br />- Antares (10xxx) (DO NOT DISCUSS!! )<br />I agree<br /><br />- Ambassador (105xx; 26xxx)<br /><br />- Apollo (115xx-125xx)<br />Never seen (as far as I know<br /><br />- Oberth (0-infinity)<br />First seen in the movies<br /><br />- Hokule'a (19xxx)<br />Never seen<br /><br />- Wambundu (203xx)<br />Never seen<br /><br />- Miranda (18xx; 21xxx-31xxx)<br />First seen in the movies<br /><br />- Niagara (28xxx) (yes, I believe in the Niagara's with Ambassodor style nacelles, perhaps even originally with only two)<br />I agree w/ this one<br /><br />- Surak (33xxx)<br />Never seen (as far as I know)<br /><br />- Istanbul (34xxx)<br />Never seen<br /><br />- Merced (37xxx)<br />Never seen<br /><br />- Mediterranean (43xxx)<br />Never seen<br /><br />- Renaissance (45xxx)<br />Never seen<br /><br />- "Shelley" (45xxx)<br />Movie era tech <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Cpt. Kyle Amasov</b> <br /><small>Member # 742</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,2,4,14,0,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 04, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:00 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><i>Originally posted by Wraith:</i><br />- Apollo (115xx-125xx)<br />Never seen (as far as I know<br /></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Some say this is the T'Pau. And some say they've seen Bigfoot. Believe it or not.<br /><br /> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><br />- Niagara (28xxx) (yes, I believe in the Niagara's with Ambassodor style nacelles, perhaps even originally with only two)<br />I agree w/ this one<br /></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hmmm... A Niagara with Ambassador-nacelles, but without the third nacelle below the secondary hull? Now that sounds weired. But I think there have been some freaks calling this an 'Ambassador'-class ship. But I don't think that it's canon. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <br /><br /> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><br />- Mediterranean (43xxx)<br />Never seen<br /></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Centaur probably?<br /><br /> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><br />- Renaissance (45xxx)<br />Never seen<br /></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Shelley probably?<br /><br />Maybe someone can help me with this one; a long time ago I found a page featuring information and designs from one of the FASA-books. It seemed to be pretty new stuff, they already included FC-ships (maybe even Prometheus). However, they also had some designs of ships featured in that or one of those books. One of them was the Wambundu-class. There were several others, too, but that's the one that looked most impressive for a design absolutely fitting to the given information. It was some sort of Proto-Steamrunner, two catamaran-style hulls, warp nacelles attached to the catamaran hulls, flat, and it looked modern (no Constitution-parts, for example). Can anyone provide a link to that page? I know it has to be out there.(The information given contained some non-canon ship names and registries, for example. And I remember the pages were sorted by date - something like '2210-2250', '2340-2370'.)<br /><br />It was a great page, and this here remembered me that it still has to be somewhere out there... <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Dukhat</b> <br /><small>Member # 341</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,2,4,14,15,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 04, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:15 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Yes, it's <a href="http://www.shipschematics.net." target="_blank">www.shipschematics.net.</a> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Cpt. Kyle Amasov</b> <br /><small>Member # 742</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,2,4,14,32,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 04, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:32 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I checked shipschematics, but they didn't have what I was looking for. Only the strange Oberth-kitbash and the ASDB-design. Maybe I should try google... <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Cpt. Kyle Amasov</b> <br /><small>Member # 742</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,2,4,14,58,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 04, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:58 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Okay, I slapped something together that might look a little bit like the ship I've seen. Don't blame me for the bad quality of the kitbash, it's a five-minute work. <br /><br /><a href="http://www.geocities.com/cpt_kyle_amasov/huh.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/cpt_kyle_amasov/huh.jpg</a> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>pIn'a' Sov</b> <br /><small>Member # 293</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,2,5,2,32,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 05, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:32 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I think it�s this ship:<br /><br /> <a href="http://steve.pugh.net/fleet/images/LUG_deneva1.jpg" target="_blank">Steve Pugh�s site</a> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Identity Crisis</b> <br /><small>Member # 67</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,2,5,3,16,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 05, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:16 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov:<br /><strong>Maybe someone can help me with this one; a long time ago I found a page featuring information and designs from one of the FASA-books. It seemed to be pretty new stuff, they already included FC-ships (maybe even Prometheus). However, they also had some designs of ships featured in that or one of those books. One of them was the Wambundu-class. There were several others, too, but that's the one that looked most impressive for a design absolutely fitting to the given information. It was some sort of Proto-Steamrunner, two catamaran-style hulls, warp nacelles attached to the catamaran hulls, flat, and it looked modern (no Constitution-parts, for example). Can anyone provide a link to that page? I know it has to be out there.(The information given contained some non-canon ship names and registries, for example. And I remember the pages were sorted by date - something like '2210-2250', '2340-2370'.)<br /><br />It was a great page, and this here remembered me that it still has to be somewhere out there...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">As has been pointed out this is probably my site <a href="http://steve.pugh.net/fleet/" target="_blank">http://steve.pugh.net/fleet/</a> which includes loads of ships from fandom sources, RPGs, etc.<br /><br />The idea of FASA (lost the TRek license in '87) having First Contact style ships is amusing. FASA only ever produced two TNG books, one of which contained just stuff seen in season one and the other contained some peculiar post-movie/pre-TNG ships of their own invention. See the following:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/battlecruiser_roylsovn.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/battlecruiser_roylsovn.jpg</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/heavycruiser_ambassadrhardn.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/heavycruiser_ambassadrhardn.jpg</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/lightcruiser_wellington.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/lightcruiser_wellington.jpg</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/destroyer_decker.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/destroyer_decker.jpg</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/frigate_thomaspaine.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/frigate_thomaspaine.jpg</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/scout_moscow.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/scout_moscow.jpg</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/rescuehospital_mbenga.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/rescuehospital_mbenga.jpg</a><br /><br />Anyway, enough of those old FASA doodles, the ships you were thinking of were from LUG who held the RPG license 1998-2000. They produced a book called 'The Price of Freedom' that contained bad artwork versions of the Miranda, Olympic, New Orleans and the FC ships; it also had their own versions of the Deneva, Apollo, Niagara, Merced and Rigel classes. <br /><br />The later supplement 'Ship Recognition Manual, Volume 1: The Ships of Starfleet' was released on the internet after LUG lost the license and doesn't feature any illustrations but does include text descriptions of every starfleet ship class mentioned in TNG/DS9/VOY. In some cases retconning the pictures from the earlier book and mostly bringing the designs in line with what was then (2001) known about the Wolf 359 ships. I think Bernd's site was used as a referencer by the author.<br /><br />The 'steamrunner-ish' ship you're thinking of is LUG's take on the Deneva class. It's an early 24th century transport - cargo pods would fill up the space between the spars. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>pIn'a' Sov</b> <br /><small>Member # 293</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,2,5,3,23,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 05, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:23 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> You know, since we�re already discussing FASA and LUG, I have to ask about this ship again, what is it???:<br /><br /> <a href="http://www.stguardian.to/mixed/unknown/conspiracy.jpg" target="_blank">TNG "Conspiracy"</a> <br /><br />I know I have rambled about this image over and over and over again, but I gotta ask <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /><br /> <br /> <small>[ March 05, 2002, 03:24: Message edited by: pIn'a' Sov ]</small> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Identity Crisis</b> <br /><small>Member # 67</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,2,5,3,56,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 05, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:56 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I have no idea. It obviously can't be LUG as it's ten years too early. It may well be FASA as most of the other screens are of FASA ships but I don't recognise it. I'll have a look through all the obscure merchant ships etc. tonight and get back to you. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Cpt. Kyle Amasov</b> <br /><small>Member # 742</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,2,5,4,30,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 05, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:30 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Hell, yes!<br /><br />Many thanks to both of you, that's exactly what I was looking for! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <br /><br />And I just noticed how bad my image really was, compared to that Deneva. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> <br /><small>Member # 31</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,2,5,9,19,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 05, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:19 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well, the "<i>Deneva</i>" pic is nothing to be so proud of, either... <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Cpt. Kyle Amasov</b> <br /><small>Member # 742</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,2,5,9,35,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 05, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:35 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> ^^^^<br /><br />But with some modifications it's a good base for a design, don't you think? I'm currently drawing the Niagara, after finishing it - this week, hopefully - I'll try something entirely new. And I want to use parts of this design. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Identity Crisis</b> <br /><small>Member # 67</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,2,6,2,32,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 06, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:32 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Identity Crisis:<br /><strong>It may well be FASA as most of the other screens are of FASA ships but I don't recognise it. I'll have a look through all the obscure merchant ships etc. tonight and get back to you.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Went through all my FASA books and Space Flight Chronology last night and couldn't see it anywhere. Might be in one of the issues of Stardate that I don't own but as the other ships are in one of the main books I doubt it. Probably not a FASA ship then. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>pIn'a' Sov</b> <br /><small>Member # 293</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,2,6,3,32,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 06, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:32 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Thanks for looking. I wonder what it is, it might not even be a ship. Anyone know who was responsible for the tng-art at the time of "Conspiracy"? Andrew Probert? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Cpt. Kyle Amasov</b> <br /><small>Member # 742</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,2,6,4,59,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 06, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:59 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> While thinking about it, I seem to recall that image. Maybe it was just a memory of that screencap from the show, maybe I saw it somwhere else.<br />The thing looks like a space station, side view. With four saucers. Something like Jupiter Station. Maybe it was the Art of Star Trek or a book like that where I saw early sketches of a new spacedock done for '11001001' (and I did not look for that episode name! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> ). They used the old one instead, but this could be a blueprint of the planned but never realized spacedock. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>AndrewR</b> <br /><small>Member # 44</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,2,8,1,9,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 08, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:09 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Cpt. Kyle Amasov: your pic was better than that nasty 'real' pic!<br /><br />Andrew <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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