What numbers have been tossed around for the Miranda? (They'd all be Fandom, of course...) What's the original source of the common NCC-1833, and have there been others?
Thanks, -MMoM Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Well, NCC-1833 is probably chosen because it fills the gap left in the popular "Ships of Star Fleet" registry scheme which adapts Franz Joseph's original registries - the last "Tikopai" cruiser there is 1832, and the next registry given is 1843, the "Enterprise" class USS Levant (SotSF says this will become the E-A).
This gives us ten registries to use (eleven if we say 1843 was liberated when it was changed to 1701-A), and the known Miranda class registry 1837 for the Lantree sits smack in the middle. So 1833 could well be USS Miranda.
SotSF of course says that the Miranda lineage actually started with NCC-1860, USS Avenger, since at that time it was thought that the Reliant was Avenger class (but apparently some early sketch for ST2 did suggest Miranda class?). An easy "out" is to say that there were several batches built - the Miranda subclass was finished without the torp pod, while the Avenger class had the pod. Later, when Starfleet got fed up with the eleventeen subclasses, it picked the earliest one as the source for the new common class name.
SotSF also says all these ships were modifications of an earlier Surya class, a TOS-like design which mounted the torpedo tubes like FJ's ships do, just below the bridge. Thus, NCCs 1833-42 could have had TOS-style earlier incarnations, too. Then again, SotSF doesn't claim that NCCs would be chronological during the TOS and movie eras...
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Identity Crisis (Member # 67) on :
Sources that don't follow the main thrust of treknical fandom tend to go with either NCC-1800 or NCC-1850.
Jackill's guides (or at least the revised versions) go for NCC-1800.
Starfleet Dynamics/Prototype goes for NCC-1890.
The NCC-1833 number gets a lot of prominence in Federation Frontiers' Avenger/Miranda Class Starship Deck Plans.
For some general waffling on the origins of the Miranda/Avenger classes see my page at http://steve.pugh.net/fleet/mir_history.html Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
1860, if you say Lantree was not a Miranda, 1833 (what AlexR says), 1800, depending on what you think about the age of the ship.
Personally, I'd say 1800 is a good guess.
Posted by CaptAlabin (Member # 733) on :
I wonder where i got the registry as NCC-1801 from. I always thought that was a good number for the Miranda or at least 1800.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
I like 1833. Leaves room if want to believe in some of the Achernars and Tikopais, and predates all of the movie era Mirandas (with the exception of the DC Star Trek's Pacific NCC-1830, but thats probably a Constellation/Eagle style registry glitch, and non canon to boot)
Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
I really had no great clue as to what the registry was to be. On my Miranda model I plucked NCC 1830 out of the air as a plausible 'guess', it's interesting that it seems to be pretty close to many peoples expectations.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
I=teh suxx0rz. I made mY USS Miranda out to be NCC-694.
Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
To tell you the truth, if I were to choose between fandom numbers I would pick Sotf because they are actually try to make it look professional. Unfortunately what screws it up is later on screen footage or quotes that screw up their whole scheme. Later I'll explain a little theory on how to work the numbers out if you want.
Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
I feel the Miranda that we've seen is a refit of an original TOS version. So I place the USS Miranda back before 1700, possibly even in the 1500 or even 1400 hundreds. I won't go back beyond that though.
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Didn't the Reliant's dedication plaque say that the ship was Avenger class? Or is that just some rumor I'd heard somewhere? I always thought that once TNG debuted, Okuda changed the class to Miranda because "Avenger" sounded too negative...
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
I've never seen the Reliant-plaque. If it or a picture of it still exists, I assume *they* let it disappear so that no one can ever say the ship was an Avenger-class vessel. Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Do we know that the Reliant even had a plaque? from what I gather the first appearance of a Dedication plaque in the movies was the E-A's in ST:IV, I don't ever recall seeing a plaque on the Enterprise-refit's bridge.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by Timo: ...but apparently some early sketch for ST2 did suggest Miranda class...
Whoa, this is news to me. Can you elaborate? I'd always heard that the person/s who designed it for TWOK named it Avenger-class, and that's where that whole thing came from...
-MMoM Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
Avenger was always a fandom thing i thought.. and a poorly thought out one at that
Posted by Admiral Forest (Member # 751) on :
Someone probably thought of the name Avenger because that's what it's used for in ST2:TWOK.
Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
Funnily enough, the WoK script I've got describes the Reliant as 'an older, somewhat battered starship of the Enterprise Class'.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I was under the impression that the ship's class was unnamed in the script or other production materials, but refered to as an Avenger by the people who were working on it.
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
From the Revised Final Draft, May 24 1982:
7 EXT. DEEP SPACE - NEAR CETI ALPHA V 7
In f.g. is the U.S.S. RELIANT, an older, somewhat
battered Starship of the ENTERPRISE class, with a
slightly different configuration. Reliant approaches
an inhospitable-looking yellow planet: CETI ALPHA V.
CHEKOV'S VOICE
Starship log, Stardate eight-one-
three-oh point four. Log Entry
by Commander Pavel Chekov.
(MORE)
(CONTINUED)
13.
7 CONTINUED: 7
CHEKHOV'S VOICE (CONT'D)
Starship USS Reliant on orbital
approach to Ceti Alpha Six in
connection with project GENESIS.
We are...
8 INT. BRIDGE OF RELIANT 8
Well-aged and distinctive. The usual complement of officers
and crew. CAPTAIN CLARK TERRELL, about 45, soft spoken
and in good shape, but somewhat laconic.
In other words, I concur with The Red Admiral
[ March 06, 2002, 21:00: Message edited by: The_Tom ]
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
In the script, the word "class" probably doesn't mean the same sort of systematic-rigid-cool-militaria-technobabble thing it means in our conversations... It's probably meant to be more like "another ship in the size class of the Enterprise". But obviously the writers have already understood that the ship must look different, or have a "slightly different configuration", lest the space battle scenes become hopelessly confusing!
I have no proof that the name Miranda would have been used in the original sketches of the Reliant (the ones with the nacelles on top), other than Alex R mentioning it as a rumor he heard. If anybody frequents the TrekBBS, Alex might have more on that. (quickly peeks there) In fact, I think there's a thread on that going on already - MIM, you weirdo you, what are you doing over there?
Timo Saloniemi
[ March 07, 2002, 04:39: Message edited by: Timo ]
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Umm...trying to find out the answers to my questions??
Besides, we have Rick Sternbach over there.
-MMoM Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
wouldnt it have been cool if they made the reliant to TOS specs, to fit the 'older ship' description?
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