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What numbers have been tossed around for the Miranda? (They'd all be Fandom, of course...) What's the original source of the common NCC-1833, and have there been others?
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Well, NCC-1833 is probably chosen because it fills the gap left in the popular "Ships of Star Fleet" registry scheme which adapts Franz Joseph's original registries - the last "Tikopai" cruiser there is 1832, and the next registry given is 1843, the "Enterprise" class USS Levant (SotSF says this will become the E-A).
This gives us ten registries to use (eleven if we say 1843 was liberated when it was changed to 1701-A), and the known Miranda class registry 1837 for the Lantree sits smack in the middle. So 1833 could well be USS Miranda.
SotSF of course says that the Miranda lineage actually started with NCC-1860, USS Avenger, since at that time it was thought that the Reliant was Avenger class (but apparently some early sketch for ST2 did suggest Miranda class?). An easy "out" is to say that there were several batches built - the Miranda subclass was finished without the torp pod, while the Avenger class had the pod. Later, when Starfleet got fed up with the eleventeen subclasses, it picked the earliest one as the source for the new common class name.
SotSF also says all these ships were modifications of an earlier Surya class, a TOS-like design which mounted the torpedo tubes like FJ's ships do, just below the bridge. Thus, NCCs 1833-42 could have had TOS-style earlier incarnations, too. Then again, SotSF doesn't claim that NCCs would be chronological during the TOS and movie eras...
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1860, if you say Lantree was not a Miranda, 1833 (what AlexR says), 1800, depending on what you think about the age of the ship.
Personally, I'd say 1800 is a good guess.
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I wonder where i got the registry as NCC-1801 from. I always thought that was a good number for the Miranda or at least 1800.
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I like 1833. Leaves room if want to believe in some of the Achernars and Tikopais, and predates all of the movie era Mirandas (with the exception of the DC Star Trek's Pacific NCC-1830, but thats probably a Constellation/Eagle style registry glitch, and non canon to boot)
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I really had no great clue as to what the registry was to be. On my Miranda model I plucked NCC 1830 out of the air as a plausible 'guess', it's interesting that it seems to be pretty close to many peoples expectations.
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To tell you the truth, if I were to choose between fandom numbers I would pick Sotf because they are actually try to make it look professional. Unfortunately what screws it up is later on screen footage or quotes that screw up their whole scheme. Later I'll explain a little theory on how to work the numbers out if you want.
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I feel the Miranda that we've seen is a refit of an original TOS version. So I place the USS Miranda back before 1700, possibly even in the 1500 or even 1400 hundreds. I won't go back beyond that though.
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Didn't the Reliant's dedication plaque say that the ship was Avenger class? Or is that just some rumor I'd heard somewhere? I always thought that once TNG debuted, Okuda changed the class to Miranda because "Avenger" sounded too negative...
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I've never seen the Reliant-plaque. If it or a picture of it still exists, I assume *they* let it disappear so that no one can ever say the ship was an Avenger-class vessel.
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Do we know that the Reliant even had a plaque? from what I gather the first appearance of a Dedication plaque in the movies was the E-A's in ST:IV, I don't ever recall seeing a plaque on the Enterprise-refit's bridge.
quote:Originally posted by Timo: ...but apparently some early sketch for ST2 did suggest Miranda class...
Whoa, this is news to me. Can you elaborate? I'd always heard that the person/s who designed it for TWOK named it Avenger-class, and that's where that whole thing came from...
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Avenger was always a fandom thing i thought.. and a poorly thought out one at that
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