And if anyone sees anything else wrong there, please let me know. But know that I haven't updated some of the runabout's entrie to include all of their eps yet.
Thanks a lot, -MMoM Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
do you want to add ships from novels and comics.. i can tell you most off the top of my head..
Posted by Identity Crisis (Member # 67) on :
Your HTML and/or CSS is screwed up. In both IE6 and Opera 6 the Starfleet table starts off the left hand edge of the screen with no way to scroll to it; works okay if I maximise my browser window, but why have a big screen unless I want to see many windows at once? And in Netscape 6 some of the ship names don't appear.
Moral: don't use MS Word to generate HTML.
Anyway on to the corrections:
USS Carolina. Registry NCC-160 and Class Daedalus should be in blue, it's a cock up on Okuda's part.
NCC-1701-B. Maybe it was listed as Alaska class in those fandom blueprints of the Alaska class battlecruiser, but in FASA the NCC-1701-C was a member of the (never illustrated) Alaska class.
USS Saratoga (ST IV version) also has a fandom registry of NCC-1892. Don't ask why, it's painful.
USS Valiant. Class Consitution should be in purple as there's no canon evidence for this (and indeed no way that TOS - 50 years could be a Connie even with the original idea that the Connies were ~40 years old as opposed to ~20).
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
The fandom poster lists the Enterprise-C as Alaska-class. Hmm... I think there's a cool scrren name lurking there... "Phandom Poster"... Nah...
As for the Constitution-class Valiant, I like to think she was named after the earlier ship that went missing.
--Jonah
P.S. Don't use MS Word... Period. Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
What exactly do you concider 'non canon but reliable and worth including it'?
There are, for example, a complete list of Cheyenne-class ships with stats in the Cheyenne class Orientation Manual (that's where the NCC-50000 comes from), I have several novels with ship names (most notably the Dominion-wararc story from that four-parter, which mentiones several ships participating in the final battle), There's a large table of ships with registry and class in the appendix of the Dominion War sourcebook and there are Jackill's SRM's, but I wont tell you all the names in that book because if I did, we'd still working on that next year.
Oh, and for your information, maybe you read the Nemesis-script, maybe not (the link is posted at Dark Horizons, look for the news at Trekweb). But there are several ships mentioned; (SPOILER, hehe...) - the Titan, of course, the Hemmingway (the ship that tows Enterprise back to the dock after the final battle) and the Talos (Commander Madden's former assignment). There's a scene in the film, shortly before the ship enters the Bassen-rift inside Astrometrics (huh!), and Data shows Picard where the fleet awaits Enterprise's arrival. I really hope they create a really good Okudagram with lots of names and registries and such. . Just by the way. Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Non-canoneers? Gosh, maybe you should form a club, call yourself, I dunno, the Catapult Cavaliers or something (and I defy anyone to recognise that reference). 8)
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Captain Kyle:
Like I said, all I'm still dealing with all canon ships (except for the Bonhomme Richard, Cygnus, Federation, etc.) but I'm just filling in gaps in our canon knowledge about them with what has been given in non-canon sources. Again, I'm not using ships that don't at least exist already in canon, in some form. (Even if it's only a name, etc.)
Thanks for the Nemesis ships.
-MMoM
[ March 20, 2002, 11:39: Message edited by: The Mighty Monkey of Mim ]
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Everyone sing!
"Who's the leader of the club that's made for you and me? "N-O-N, C-A-N, O-N-E-E-R!"
Erm... No, never mind...
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Stranger things have happened.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
A couple specific questions...
1.) Wasn't there some publication that gave a class and reg to the Aurora?
2.) Supposedly the TMP S.S. Enterprise is a Declaration-class starliner. Has there ever been a registry associated w/ this ship?
3.) Steve's site mentions a Canopus-class U.S.S. Antares from the Spaceflight Chronology. Is ther a reg mentioned?
4.) I could have sworn there was a class and reg in something for the S.S. Columbia from "The Cage."
5.) Have there been other regs (before Okuda) for some of the class ships like the Constellation or Galaxy or Intrepid?
-MMoM Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
Mim, it IS possible for a ship to not have a prefix.. i seriously doubt the Vulcans have a 'S.S.' anything
BTW.. Drexler & Mandel's Officer's Manual list Aurora as U.S.S. Aurora, NCC-1200 or NCC-1300, I'm not sure.. it might have had one of those funky TASstyle letter regs too.. but the schematic is grossly inaccurate, as is the fact that it is just as likely (if not moreso) it wasnt a Starfleet ship.
[ March 20, 2002, 12:21: Message edited by: CaptainMike ]
Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
I've got an old Fasa publication with a whole bunch of starship designs, several new and interesting classes, and ship names. Are you after this kind of stuff as well?
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Red Admiral: I've got an old Fasa publication with a whole bunch of starship designs, several new and interesting classes, and ship names. Are you after this kind of stuff as well?
I'm after anything that fills in empty spaces on that list. Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
VP said: "Non-canoneers? Gosh, maybe you should form a club, call yourself, I dunno, the Catapult Cavaliers or something (and I defy anyone to recognise that reference). 8)"
Is that a Buckaroo Banzai ref? (from HK Cavaliers) Of course, canon --> cannon --> non-cannon --> catapault.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Nope. The name just popped into my head when I saw the thread title. . . it's an extremely obscure reference, I only mentioned it in the end because I was curious to see if someone else HAD read the same book I did (hint, there).
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Apparently, it's from the "Professor Branestawm" books by Norman Hunter.
No, I haven't read them. But I have read google.com. :-)
Posted by Identity Crisis (Member # 67) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: 1.) Wasn't there some publication that gave a class and reg to the Aurora?
NCC-C1200, Aurora class space cruiser, a class three small spacecraft.
quote:3.) Steve's site mentions a Canopus-class U.S.S. Antares from the Spaceflight Chronology. Is ther a reg mentioned?
No it doesn't. SFC features a Canopus class. I was hypothesising that the authors intended the Antares to be a member of this class, but the book doesn't mention the Antares at all.
quote:[QB5.) Have there been other regs (before Okuda) for some of the class ships like the Constellation or Galaxy or Intrepid?[/QB]
FASA makes the Constellation NCC-2500. Other sources use NCC-1017 (sometime with a -A suffix) or NCC-7100.
You may also want to add: HT03-23682 Kobayashi Maru KT56-43312 Astral Queen
Oh and USS Antares NCC-1820, Tikopai class is NOT the Charlie X ship as the Tikopai class entered service a decade later. It's a sucessor ship.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
. . . and I said to myself when I first posted it, "I bet Nix will just put it into a seacrh engine to show how clever he is."
Honestly, I did. Predictable, Timothy, very, very predictable. 8)
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
A small addition: The Yeager's first appearance was not 'Doctor Bashir, I Presume?' but 'Sacrifice of Angels'. The very last shot was the familiar DS9-with-Excelsior-docked-and-Yeager-in-the-background-and-Nebula-right-in-front-of-the-station-shot. The ship also appeared in 'The Magnificent Ferengi'. I'll inform you if I notice further appearances, next two weeks I'll have much time to re-watch all the old DS9 episodes. On word: Holidays! Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Lee: Problem is, if I wanted to look clever, I wouldn't have told you that I'd used a search engine. :-)
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Perhaps "clever" was the wrong word. Maybe "Nixlike" would be better. Fact remains, I knew YOU were going to do it. 8)
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
No, Amasov, the Yeager's first appearance was in "Doctor Bashir, I Presume." That episode comes before "Sacrifice of Angels," and of course we saw the Yeager before the sixth season. And I've seen the episode and remember saying "What ship is that?" and then finding out it was a Yeager.
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
That's true. I remember seeing it for the first time in the background, way before the Dominion War had started. I remember thinking at the time that it was cool for TPTB to show another Intrepid class ship in another Star Trek series. It was only later that I took a closer look at it on my videotape, and realized that there was something not quite right about the ship.
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by Identity Crisis: NCC-1701-B. Maybe it was listed as Alaska class in those fandom blueprints of the Alaska class battlecruiser, but in FASA the NCC-1701-C was a member of the (never illustrated) Alaska class.
Actually, though I don't think it is a FASA publication, I do have an image of the "Alaska Class Battlecruiser" which the 1701-C was supposed to be. (It showed an Excelsior for the 1701-B.)
It was part of a set . . . I didn't get the whole set, because a lot of the data about the 1701-D was heavily contradicted by the Tech Manual. For instance, the E-D was supposed to use "Ultrawarp", which was evidently something beyond transwarp.
I got it as part of an old catalog from "Intergalactic" something-or-other (their emblem involved a dragon in some way) . . . they sold a lot of sci-fi and fantasy stuff way back when. I'll see if I can dig it up and get a scan of it.
[ March 24, 2002, 11:05: Message edited by: Guardian 2000 ]
Posted by Identity Crisis (Member # 67) on :
Ultrawarp (where v = c * w^5) was in the FASA TNG Officer's Manual and explained how the E-D could be faster than the Excelsior but use lower warp factors. So whilst transwarp allowe the Excelsior to do warp 14 that was still using the old v = c * w^3 warp scale.
I don't own the Alaska class battle cruiser publication but as it came out in 1988 it's probably inspired by the FASA book.
The company you're thinking of is Intergalactic Trading, still going strong via mail order, the web (http://www.intergalactictrading.com/) and auctions on eBay, Amazon, etc. They're a really excellent source for old fan and gaming publications.
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by Identity Crisis: I don't own the Alaska class battle cruiser publication but as it came out in 1988 it's probably inspired by the FASA book.
Yup, that's her! Hardly the most attractive ship, but an interesting take on the idea of "something-between-Excelsior-and-Galaxy".
quote: The company you're thinking of is Intergalactic Trading, still going strong via mail order, the web (http://www.intergalactictrading.com/) and auctions on eBay, Amazon, etc. They're a really excellent source for old fan and gaming publications.
It's been a long, long time since I saw anything from them. Thanks for the reminder!
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
That episode was 5th season? That means at least 1 of the kitbashes predates the whole arc. If they started constructing them some time before the 6-parter, we may find the missing two ships in an episode between 'Doctor Bashir, I Presume?' and SoA. Maybe I should check them again.
Posted by darkwing_duck1 (Member # 790) on :
The Constellation (of that class) COULDN'T be in the 7000s, as the Hathaway was in the 2500s somewhere IIRC. I've seen a 1900-something for Constellation (presumedly the class ship for that class), but that was an Okuda thing.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Yes, we know Constellation is 1974. And is the class ship. The 7100 comes off a model of a Constellation class ship in Picard's Ready Room. That model was indeed labeled as NCC-7100, but had no name.
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