I was wondering about some things I noticed while digging up my files about the Federation Starship Recognition Chart. This was published using most of the Ships of the Starfleet class names and diagrams, but there were several odd classes that I've never seen a clear diagram of since they are silhouetted of the chart. These include the Frobisher-class, Nordenskjold-class, Detroyat-class and the Pytheas-class. Here are a couple of diagrams i made, on the basis of the fact that the seem to use early versions of Connie saucers (in the SotSF milieu, this explains low registered Connies.. they were originally saucers from older ships) Google hasnt helped.. anyone know anything else about these?
[ March 25, 2002, 11:44: Message edited by: CaptainMike ]
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
They're DAAAAAMN ugly.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
The upper ship - what's the name of that one? I seem to recall that one from somwhere.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
Pytheas-class.. obviously based on a Jefferies sketch, and according to the scale of the chart, using Constitution-sized nacelles and saucer (although very basic versions of said). I need to find the Jefferies page it came off of to see how the nacelles are attached (i made that pic off only a sideview silhouette). I'm wondering whether it was just on the poster or if its a reference to another fandom work (like most of the other ships Detroyat, Coventry, Mitannic, etc..)
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
Jeffries' sketch! That's it. Probably. The sketch was published in the Sketchbook, for example. The nacelles are attached directly below the saucer, and there are bussard collectors. But the ship lacks a main deflector dish, as far as I can tell from the drawing. I just looked for that. But I think it was also in the Art of Star Trek.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
ooh now i know how the nacelles are attached.. I plan on doing more detailed side views of these vessels once i have enough information.
BTW.. is Pugh updating his site.. I'd love to see it reflect the data weve gathered/analyzed here. I even sent him a picture at one point to use, but never got a response
[ March 25, 2002, 16:09: Message edited by: CaptainMike ]
Posted by Identity Crisis (Member # 67) on :
quote:Originally posted by CaptainMike: BTW.. is Pugh updating his site.. I'd love to see it reflect the data weve gathered/analyzed here. I even sent him a picture at one point to use, but never got a response
I am updating my site every now and again. There's not much that's been said here that needs adding to the site. I'll update the misc page with the kitbashed ships at some point - I was avoiding adding them in the hope that they didn't really exist
You sent me an image of an Abbe didn't you? Sorry I didn't reply. I dsecided that the image isn't as nice as the one I've got on the site at the moment so I decided not to use it, sorry.
Posted by Identity Crisis (Member # 67) on :
The Pytheas is obviously another variation on the popular Declaration (http://www.calormen.com/Star_Trek/declaration/declaration.htm) and Ranger (http://steve.pugh.net/fleet/early.html#ranger) theme.
Any chance of scanning the silhouettes from the chart? It's one I'm missing from my collection.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
Ooh hi.. you are closer than i thought.. i see some of the pages are quite recently updated.
There is a chance of me scanning the images, but i have to wait until i trek up to my fathers house and get the chart (Omi and Opa wont let me hang posters in my room here).
BTW, the most puzzling of the ships are the ones that i have no idea what the structure is for, such as one (forgot the name) which is about 200m high and 80m long. I cant really get any more research done until i have the chart.
The chart is nice too, as it lists the NCCS of every ship of the assorted classes that are active in (SotSF reckoning year) 2290.
Posted by Woodside Kid (Member # 699) on :
That particular chart drove me up the wall for about a year and a half, trying to find source materials with more detail than the silhouettes for some of the ships. The bee in my bonnet turned out to be the engine on the Cochise, Cygnus, and Amerind classes (the one SoSF calls the PB-76). I finally had to do my own version, although I make no claims to its ultimate accuracy. And before you ask, no, I can't send you a picture of it; I don't have a scanner. I'm currently putting together a package to send to shipschematics.net. It'll have Cochise and Cygnus, as well as my take on Pytheas (I reverse engineered an earlier version of it as well). I also did a twenty page development package of the Ptolemy class, and I'm currently working on my version of a TOS precursor to Soyuz, the Vostok. Since I don't have a scanner, I've got to photocopy my stuff and send it by snailmail, so be patient, friends.
Posted by Identity Crisis (Member # 67) on :
Hmm, I wish that shipschematics.net had a backwards lookup for the bibliography, so you could go to a bibliography entry and see all the ships from that source. Sure make it easier to find all FASA ships or, in this case, all Federation Starship Recognition Chart ships.
Posted by Identity Crisis (Member # 67) on :
Ooooo anoying. I take it that this is a very small scan of the chart in question:
P.S. I never realized -- your birthday is two days before mine.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Isn't the Cygnus supposed to have a full saucer instead of a pie-wedge one? What CaptainMike has there seems to be Cochise (above) and Amerind (below).
I must say, BTW, that I love the idea that the Cochises would have to sacrifice the ventral sensor array for the torpedoes, and the Amerinds would have to do vice versa. If it were possible to have both aboard such a small vessel, then why the hell did Starfleet bother with building bigger ships at all?
That ACE interpretation looks nice, but I suggest blue for the deflector/ramscoop thing in front... And at least some reshaping of the aft end to make it distinct from the LN-64.
As for the Detroyats, all we really have is a side view. Modelers tend to extrapolate a boxy secondary hull out of that, but what if you made it into a sleek, rounded keel shape? And it's nice to have a saucer that isn't a mere Constitution kitbash. TNG has shown that not all Starfleet saucers of a given era are identically shaped (even though the Wolf 359 and DS9 kitbashes suggest that there is SOME merit to the theory that TOS-era ships were made mostly of rearranged standard components...).
Still, perhaps the Detroyat could use one of those old "The Cage" style high-domed bridge modules planted atop the flat saucer mesa...
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Identity Crisis (Member # 67) on :
quote:Originally posted by Timo: As for the Detroyats, all we really have is a side view.
Not true. There's a front view on one of the Todd Guenther/Starstation Aurora posters, um let me look up which one. Ah yes, the Avenger Class Evolution Sheet. Shows front and side views of the four classes that led to the Avenger class (Ptolemy, Detroyat, Surya, Coventry). I would assume that's where all those modellers and shipschematics.net got the front view they show.
Posted by Identity Crisis (Member # 67) on :
quote:Originally posted by Peregrinus: *jawdrop* That's you, Steve? *checks profile* Huh... I'll be damned. Hi
Who else do you think would understand you TOS registry shenanigans so quickly? Posted by Woodside Kid (Member # 699) on :
Actually, the packet of prints I have for the Detroyat has top, bottom, side, bow, and stern views, as well as a cutaway. It also lists the status of the class members (with the interesting little tidbit that one of them, Niantic, encountered Constellation three weeks before "The Doomsday Machine" and was never heard from again).
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
What is the provenance of these plans, and how hard are they to come by these days? I was too young to have enough money to buy everything back in the 80s, and in having to pick and choose, I missed out on a lot. I've since filled in some gaps with works like the Spaceflight Chronology that have been out of print forever, but the posters and plans are annoyingly hard to come by...
--Jonah
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
I wish i could take my paycheck and go back in time to when these schematics were plentiful.. i remember being at a convention when i was 9 and having my father tell me i could spend $10 and flipping through copies of SotSF 1 and 2, Prototype, Dynamics, Spaceflight Chronology and all the blueprint packages in envelopes. Nowaday, new fandom work is easier to come by.. i just printed out the Adobe PDF files of the new TNG era SotSF that Rosenzweig did, and the Dockyard Review Magazines too at http://www.asdb.net/asdb/pubs/
Used bookstores are a dream come true, thats where i found a lot of my Star Fleet Battles stuff thats been entertaining me lately..
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