What was mentioned of the U.S.S. Potemkin in DS9's "You Are Cordially Invited..."??
Thanks, -MMoM Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
This is what my shiplist has;
U.S.S. POTEMKIN NCC-18253 EXCELSIOR-CLASS Posting of Will Riker after leaving Betazed, Assists in the evacuation of Nervala IV Science station and involved in hostilities at Turkana IV in 2361, part of the 9th fleet assigned to DS9 in 2374 OPERATIONAL
And this is what was said.
KIRA: USS Potemkin has completed her repairs and is rejoining the fleet later today, Exeter, Sutherland and Akagi have submitted resupply requests...
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Mucho gracias, Reverend.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
One simple question, Mim; for quite some time you seem to collect data for... something. Probably a shiplist, but judging by the size it could easily something more. When do you tell us what exactly you are preparing? Any 'release dat' yet? Just curious. Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Hehehe...
I'll go this far: It's a shiplist, but no ordinary shiplist. It's a very extensive shiplist. From this thread you can probably guess what letter I'm currently working on. Starfleet is complete up to that point, and when I'm done I'll do Federation and Pre-Federation.
And as to a release date, let's just say it should be done before UP3...
-MMoM Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: And as to a release date, let's just say it should be done before UP3...
-MMoM
That's your task? Releasing it before UP3 starts? Half of us will have died of old age by then. Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Well, speaking optimistically, Starfleet should be done in about a week.
Make you feel any better? Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: Well, speaking optimistically, Starfleet should be done in about a week.
Make you feel any better?
Ohhh yesss. (If you need any help, contact me. Holiday time = too much time. )
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
And once ths Starfleet section is done, could you, say, make a link to it? Or do you want to complete the Pre-Federation stuff before that?
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by Veers: And once ths Starfleet section is done, could you, say, make a link to it? Or do you want to complete the Pre-Federation stuff before that?
Yes, when SF is done I'll upload it to my site and link to it. Federation and Pre-Federation will follow whenever I get them done.
-MMoM Posted by Siwiak (Member # 842) on :
I've got a pretty basic list whipped up for something else I'm working on. For the most part, I think I nabbed all the canon ships on there and am only missing the DY-500s, if I recall. Compiled from Encyclopedia 3rd Edition info, both TMs and and D. Joseph Creighton's wonderful website listing. It's just name, registry, class, if it blew up, and in what episode... just the Ency's listing, but expanded and without descriptions... for now.
Just one thing: the Nebula 71905 you list on top of the list; that's the Bochune. And the ship wasn't destroyed (I don't know why everyone assumes this, the tiny explosion wasn't strong enough to destroy the pod pylon). It later appeared in Endgame where you can clearly identify the registry. And the name has been confirmed, too (It's even on the SotL-calendar).
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Instead of making a new topic for this, I thought I'd add it here, since it has to do with the same ship MMoM was asking for in his original post. Anyway...
Was the Potemkin actually seen? Spike & I were discussing this yesterday for my canon shiplist. I had the ship down as having no canon registry & an unknown class (other than the Ambassador silhouette used in the Riker-twin episode). Spike said that the ship was indeed seen in "Ethics." Not that I disbelieve Spike or anything, but can anyone else confirm the sighting? I'm guessing it was just another use of Excelsior stock footage.
Also, Spike showed me an Okudagram with the registry of the U.S.S. Intrepid (the ship Nikolai Rozhenko served on), but it didn't have any class info as far as I could tell. Are there any canon references to the ship being Excelsior class?
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
It's Bonchune. People are always forgetting the "n" between the "o" and the "c".
The Potemkin was seen in "Ethics" It is an Excelsior class and stock footage was used.
The Intrepid was Excelsior class. Okudagram listed the registry number while in "Family Reunion" or whatever the episode was called where the E-D was at McKinley during repairs, Nikolai Rozhenko (and I believe Laforge as well) verbally identified the Intrepid as Excelsior class.
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Not that I'm disagreeing with you, but to my knowledge, no one ever actually came out and stated that the Intrepid was Excelsior class in that episode. Sure, it was heavily implied, but I believe the dialogue went something like, "The Galaxy class's systems are much more advanced than the old Excelsior class's" without actually directly referring to the Intrepid. But I could be wrong.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
"..Petty officer Sergey Rozhenko, formally of the U.S.S. Intrepid"
"I was a warp field specialist on the old Excelsior-Class"
Indeed it's not directly established but it is fairly obvious what the implications were, unless of course you like things to be spoon fed to you? The real discussion around the "Excelsior-class" Intrepid is weither or not she was the same ship that had Geordie's mate as chief engineer, as mentioned later in ther series. Personally my vote is for the Intrepid-Class prototype Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
quote:Indeed it's not directly established but it is fairly obvious what the implications were, unless of course you like things to be spoon fed to you?
No, I'm not that anal...
quote:The real discussion around the "Excelsior-class" Intrepid is weither or not she was the same ship that had Geordie's mate as chief engineer, as mentioned later in ther series. Personally my vote is for the Intrepid-Class prototype.
Well, let's think about this for a second. We know for a fact that the U.S.S. Voyager under the command of Captain Janeway was operational even before the end of TNG's final season, since Riker (wearing his TNG uniform & TNG communicator pin) said as much when Q snatched him out of his time period. So it's logical to assume that the Intrepid prototype was operational even before this. Since the dialogue in "Family" seems to indicate that Rozhenko's Intrepid is obsolete, I'd tend to say that it is the Intrepid prototype Geordi is referring to.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Well, since it disappeared during "Caretaker" on stardate 48315, and the TNG uniforms were still around on the E-D during Generations on stardate 48650, I'd say there's no problem.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
The Intrepid from "Force of Nature" is the Excelsior.
How do I know?
Because the Intrepid-class wasn't invented until VGR.
-MMoM Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
^^^^
And some of the registries at the office-wall of Starbase 12 are definitely not Constitutions since the some of the ships assigned to the registries by Okuda haven't even appeared on the show at that time.
I say it's the new Intrepid-class ship. It wouldn't be very fair if Geordi does this competiton with the chief of a decades old Excelsior ship, don't you think? That's like 'Look, my Ferrari's top speed is 350km/h. Let's see how fast your Mazda can go.' On the other hand, who said that Okuda or whoever came up with the Intrepid-class didn't think of this ship? My vote for Intrepid-prototype. They even mentioned the Intrepid another time in the Species-8472-impersonates-starfleet-guys-and-recreates-San-Fransisco-in-the-Delta-Quadrant-episode. And that was definitely ment to be the Intrepid-class prototype.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
quote:I say it's the new Intrepid-class ship. It wouldn't be very fair if Geordi does this competiton with the chief of a decades old Excelsior ship, don't you think? That's like 'Look, my Ferrari's top speed is 350km/h. Let's see how fast your Mazda can go.'
AFAIR the competition wasn't about absolute figures but about relative ones.
Posted by Siwiak (Member # 842) on :
The Intrepid seen in TNG was more then likely the Excelsior-class ship that is "implied" in the episode, with more reinforcement on that given in the Encyclopedia.
An article in the May 2002 Star Trek: The Magazine caught my eye months ago. For those of you who don't get it, it's an article written by Rick Sternback (hopefully the first of many) giving a design lineage for the Intrepid class. In it, the dates for the project are given as 2361-2370, from Stardates 38552.76 - 47132.86.
After some nice technical info, it says near the back that Voyager was launched on January 14, 2371 (Stardate 48038.5) after being fast-tracked to follow the U.S.S. Intrepid and Bellerophon by only three months, making her the third ship of the class.
Elsewhere in there, it states that the project officially became the Intrepid Class Project in 2362, so I reason the NX didn't actually set sail for awhile. Given the fact that Worf's father is retired, I don't think he would have had the chance to server on this ship called Intrepid.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
quote:Originally posted by TSN: Well, since it disappeared during "Caretaker" on stardate 48315, and the TNG uniforms were still around on the E-D during Generations on stardate 48650, I'd say there's no problem.
The real, but separate problem was that Voyager was commissioned right before "Caretaker" and "Relativity" established that Janeway had not been on board until right before the events of "Caretaker". Those scenes showed everyone with the current combadge type, not the TNG-series type which Riker was wearing when he appeared unexpectedly on Voyager. Plus, if I'm not mistaken, the DS9 crew also had the current combadge design at the beginning of the season at around 480xx.
[ July 10, 2002, 17:34: Message edited by: Dat ]
Posted by Siwiak (Member # 842) on :
It is quite possible that the Riker who appeared was plucked from a different time period... it could have been Riker from years before that episode with Q's appearance.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
But it seems he knew Janeway and what happened (something like 'Thought you were dead').
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
(Not relating to this Riker thing)
I wish we'd seen more of the Intrepid class during DS9...other than the Bellerophon, which I'm glad appeared. I guess the best we got was the Yeager.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
The uniforms really aren't an indication of anything. Remember that, during Generations, they wore both uniforms. Some people even switched uniforms in the middle of the movie.
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
Yeah, but we're talking commbadges.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
The "let's not confuse series ships" policy has always been a little weird, even if it does make sense from a television programming perspective. Especially since, on occasion, they tossed the whole thing out the window anyway, such as with the Bellerophon. (Which probably made sense from both a production point of view (We can borrow ready-made sets!) and a technical, Sternbachian one (Since the idea of what happens if negotiations go really, tragically poorly was surely in the backs of the minds of the mission planners, and the Intrepid seems like a good sort of courier ship to use when you suspect bad things may happen.))
So much sense, in fact, that I'm a little surprised we didn't see Voyager sets a bit more often on DS9.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Regardless, the TNG commbadges could have been used right up until Generations. There's a stardate span of 335 between VOY's disappearance and then. That's plenty of time from which Riker could have been snatched (four months for those who believe 1000 stardates = 1 year).
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
It just seems odd that the Enterprise would still be using the older commbadges and DS9 would start using them as soon as they were issued to the fleet.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
the last known instance of the Enterprise wearing old combadges was 'All Good Things' in the end of season 7, approximately stardate 479XX.. DS9 got new combadges after a three month gap between 'The Jem'Hadar' and 'The Search'.. three months into DS9s third season would fall approx. on stardate 483XX.. the next time we saw the Enterprise was in 'Generations' which i believe had a stardate of 486XX, or a few months after 'The Search', and more than halfway through what would have been TNG's season 8..
so there is no evidence that they didnt get the combadges at the same time..
Tom Riker, pretending to be Will, was wearing a new combadge in 'Defiant' which took place after 'The Search' but before 'Generations' indicating the crew both had the same sets of combadges at the same time.
Bizarrely enough, in Voyager's second season ep 'Death Wish' with a 49XXX stardate, Will Riker was wearing an old combadge.. but Q doesnt tell us where from time he plucked him, and erases his memory before he leaves.
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