A request: Does anyone have or could make a good, large screencap of the wreckage field that Voyager & the Maquis ship fly through in "Caretaker"? You know, the scene that was later reused in "Way of the Warrior" to represent a destroyed Cardassian fleet, just by coloring the wreckage mustard yellow? There's something in that wreckage I'd like to get a better look at...
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
The only things I recognice are the Merchantman and the STIII destroyed Enterprise nacelle.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
I've seen the Merchantman, and the thing in the upper right corner looks like a promellian ship, upside down. What's the large thing upper left corner? Looks like a Surak-warpsled with a single wheel between the nacelles or something.
Posted by Cherry Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Ah, yes, that's the one, although I would have liked the scene to be just a bit bigger & clearer. Oh, well. Also, I was wrong. Apparently TPTB didn't even bother to color the wreckage mustard to represent Cardassian ships.
Anyway, there's an interesting bit of wreckage just above the Constitution nacelle & to the left. It looks like two thick nacelles on curved pylons, which lead directly to a tubular engineering hull. Does this look similar to an Ambassador class hull sans saucer to anyone else?
(I'm bringing this topic to light because I have a sneaking suspicion that this scene might have been part of the original omitted wreckage scene from "Emissary," and wasn't originally made specifically for VOY or DS9. If anyone can make clearer scans, I'd be most appreciative.)
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
Well, this is what I see (and I concentrated my research on Starfleet vessels. Things like the funky bubble ship to the right for example don't even look like anything we've seen before.)
Interesting that you think all those tiny things are far-off ship models. I would have guessed that they were relatively nearby, and were simply random chunks of plastic or styrofoam.
Posted by Cherry Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
I agree. "A" for effort, Kyle, but I kinda think that making an observation about far-off specks being actual starship models is grasping at straws a bit. I was more interested in the things we can see somewhat clearly.
BTW, as for the object everyone's calling a Constitution nacelle: Are people just saying that because it's long & thin? Sure, it kinda resembles a Connie refit nacelle, but where is the warp grille?
Posted by Jack_Crusher (Member # 696) on :
well, someone has a lot of time on their hands.
Posted by Magnus Pym Eye (Member # 239) on :
I'm confused as to how you concluded that one white blob was the same as the other white blob. There are twenty white blobs and they all look like white blobs. But some are the same white blob, and different from the other white blob. There are many white blobs.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I think the blobby thing might be the Ferengi Shuttle!?!
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
I knew the white-spot-theory might sound a bit strange, but I think some of those things look too familiar to be just debries built from anything that was available. I thought so first, but it was the ship in the upper right corner that led me toi assume there's a bit more. You can clearly see a round thing (the saucer) sitting in front of two long, thin things (the nacelles), even something that might be a secondary hull. Of course, some of them are just what they seem to be - useless remains of model kits, latex or Okuda's lunch - but others, like that one or the 'ship' located below and right of the above mentioned one (which looks like a mono-nacelle vessel like the Freedom) seem to be real low-detail models. We have seen them several times, from 'The Making of DS9' to 'Star Trek Design', and I think they keep most of them for far-background-stuff like this. (I also remember a T'Lani battleship and Cardassian vessel in particular, so there could be non-starfleet vessels, too)
Posted by Cherry Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Well, you see, this is why I wanted clearer 'caps in the first place...
Posted by Fedaykin Supastar (Member # 704) on :
its probly just me but when i see the wreckage labelled "Mmmmh..?" i keep thinking...damaged akira model...i dunno why...but to me it looks like a damaged version of the up-close front view of the Thunderchild from ST:FC. its probly something else but i keep seeing the catamaran hull parts and the roll bar.
haha
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
I think you'll find that the Constitution nacelle is actually from the Reliant. Remember, a large chunk of nacelle got blown off at the end of TWoK. For some reason, that large piece of debris at the top-middle of the screen looks like a miranda, possibly the main hull without the nacelles. It could either be one of the Saratoga's miniatures or the crippled version of the Reliant (I assume they used a seperate model for thoses shots). There also seams to be a ship near the middle of the shot, it looks rather Nebulaish to me. Possibly another use of the original Melborne wreakage? or the rumoured, lost Gage model from "Emissary"?
Posted by Cherry Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
OK, people, before this thread gets bogged down with everyone's "I see an Akira!...I see a Ferengi Shuttlepod!...I see the Gage!...etc." ranting, let's get some fact straight. I only said I had a suspicion that this scene was from Emissary. I could be totally wrong, and all of these "starships" that you're all seeing could actually be just the junk we all thought it was before I wrote this thread topic. I think that if we're going to do some serious analyzing, we need to get better, clearer screencaps than what we have now. So, like I asked before, can I get some help here?
BTW: My personal opinion...I don't see anything that even resembles the ships you're all talking about, with the exception of the Connie nacelle. And even that's sketchy. As far as people seeing an Akira...the design for the Akira wasn't even dreamed up when this shot was made Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
I agree, we defiantly need some clearer pictures if we're going to do a proper analysis.
In the mean time however, here's an illustration of what I see. I'm not saying they are what I think they are, but to me they look fairly close.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Uhh... I'm not 100% sure of this, but...
The central blob you consider a "possible Miranda"...
Isn't that the derriere of the titular ship from the show this screencap comes from?
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Cherry Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
I'm not 100% sure either, but I think you're right. Again, this is why we need better 'caps.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:Originally posted by Timo: Uhh... I'm not 100% sure of this, but...
The central blob you consider a "possible Miranda"...
Isn't that the derriere of the titular ship from the show this screencap comes from?
Timo Saloniemi
Nope, I've just watched the scene on video and neither of the blobs are Voyager's rear end. Shortly after this shot Voyager flies in from the top left and obscures both of them. However I'm not convinced that the larger blob at the top of the screen is infact a Miranda. As the scene progresses the object rotates and the altered perspective dosen't look much like a Miranda. On the other hand it could just be a trick of the light.
The small blob however dosen't move at all, I think it could just be apart of a background plate full of funny shaped white blobs, it may be the same element used in some of the other debris fields used in Trek.
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