Go here and follow the appropriate links. There's over five minutes of Nemesis footage, including a rather large chunk of the big space battle between the E-E and the Scimitar.
Keeping this in context, there's a quick shot during the battle sequence when Picard orders a phaser sweep to locate the cloaked ship (way cool!). At one point, we see her firing aft - but not necessarily using phasers. For those willing to check the footage out, would anyone care to comment on these particular weapons? Regardless, it seems the E-E is getting a workout like we've never seen before!
Mark
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
They look like Defiant-esque phasers, but they're coming from the place we saw a torpedo supposedly launch from in Insurrection. Perhaps the new FX house just doesn't know how to make torpedoes? Not that I'm criticising the quality of the effects, mind you. Neato! and all. But I have perhaps stolen this idea from Mr. Magnus anyway.
Hints of Wrath of Khan effects in the phaser sweep, anyway, with its kind of stuttery quality.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I think those aft firing weapons are some kind of post-quantum torpedos. Man, I cannot wait to see this fucking movie! Three more weeks....
Posted by Dr. Phlox (Member # 878) on :
Poor Jean Luc, whenever he leaves the Enterprise, she gets attacked.
I liked the streaking phasers and the idea of using them to locate the Scimitar(did they do that in Balance of Terror?), but the torpedoes, if that's what they were didn't seem very convincing. Was it just me or were the ships moving very quickly? The Scimitar in particular looked too maneuverable to me. Very cool anyway. Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
I think those are just normal torpedoes, and the sound effects aren't complete. They just appear to fire more rapidly then we've seen them. Maybe an upgrade?
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Looked like normal torps to me.. fired a bit faster, and with a different sound.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
Those torpedos are comming from a spot right above the shuttle hangar. Eithere there is one attached to the rear of the bridge dome (level two, below the observation lounge) or a pop-up launcher like the one they planned to use in FC (pictured in the sketchbook) that is able to rotate at a certain degree. Anyway, I think those are just standard photons. God knows why they don't use quantums. Maybe quantums can only be fired from the primary launcher above the yacht. Was the torpedo fired at the Son'a in Insurrection an orange or blue torpedo?
PS: Good to be back. At least the major exams are over. I hope I'll have some more time after christmas. (Sorry to everyone who's waiting for the release of my projects, but they are currently stopped .)
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
Oh, and did anyone notice the new shields? Bubbles are gone, we've got skin-tight body shielding. I prefer the bubble, but this looks cooler, of course.
I'm excited what we'll get to see besides all those cool new props and stuff (you know, Endgame handphasers, tricorders... I hope they don't use the batmobile armor)
And do you think Shinzons holo-communication method is the same the think tank used (maybe the romulans got the tech from them) or do you think starships are now equipped with hologenerators everywhere?
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov: the new shields? Bubbles are gone, we've got skin-tight body shielding.
Hmmm...possibly a new development similar to the effect seen when Borg adapt to hand phasers?? Perhaps some new innovation developed by Starfleet from Borg technology brought back by Voyager??
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I just watched it once, but here's what I caught.
Picard orders all banks to fire at zero elevation. In other words level with the horizontal plane of the ship. No torps at this point. Short phaser bursts fire in every direction until a few of them impact the ship and give them something to lock on to. At that point, the angle changes and we get an aft view of the Enterprise firing torps.
My guess would be that A) there are pieces of this sequence that aren't shown, and B) the visual and audio effects arent' quite done yet.
Posted by Proteus (Member # 212) on :
I closed it 2 minutes in cause I felt like I was too spoiled.
Anyone notice the music durring the battle was DIRECTLY from Generations? I wonder if thats placeholder.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Just about EVERYTHING in that clip was a placeholder. You'll notice that some shots are very short or clearly cropped (Picard went straight from Astrometrics to Bridge without any inbetween shots, there was no opening fire that caused the E-E core to sparkle, etc.). Stuart Baird is renowned in the industry for editting, and I'm sure we'll get some good stuff out of this.
Back to the effects - I think Aban's got it in one. The torpedoes were just too slow to lock on to the target the phasers had picked out. Having wached it again, even with the angle the shot was shown at those weapons could not be phaser blasts compared to the other ones. Unintentional as these launchers appear to be (not on the plans; arguable evidence from "Insurrection") it looks like we'll have to include them as part of the E-E's arsenal. I'm leaning towards thinking they could be microtorpedo launchers as posited on DS9 (though I hate the idea), or popups like were supposed to be in FC. I doubt that they are pulse phasers...
Mark
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I doubt they'd use phasers at full power to find the Scimitar.....they'd hose the bad guys after they got a lock. That's probably why they fired torpedos as a follow-up: there would have been no power adjustments to make. Just lock and fire....for all the good it does. Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Well, also, they didn't know what to fire at. Just like in Star Trek 6, as soon as they located the cloaked ship, they opened up on it. Same here. The phaser spread was to try and find the ship. My guess is that there will be a line between finding the ship with the phasers and the launch of the torps of Picard yelling, "Lock torpedos on that distortion and fire!" or something. The first spread appears to hit the ship, while the second goes sailing by. The ship obviously changed course.
I'm also getting something else from the conversation with Shinzon that I didn't before. Shinzon was in the "Mines of Remus". Presumably the planet he's trying to destory is Romulus. The Ent. E is supposedly there in the first place on a diplomatic mission that goes wrong (according to the Art Asylum figures).
I had always figured the Romulans and Shinzon's boys were on the same side.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Shinzon is the new Romulan Preator (Picard calls him that in the preview, so I'm not blowing any secrets here).
I think that after the Rommies became all warm and fuzzy with the Federation after the Dominion war alliance, Shinzon (and the plan to swap him with Picard) was tossed aside and he was banished to Remus along with Dracula and all the "mexican klingons" from TOS. Bake at 375 for 90 minutes and you get the Reman Viceroy (Ron Pearlman)with nifty telepathic powers and an aversion to light. Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
"Mexican Klingons?"
Heh...how do you say "badges" in Klingon?
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
But... if he was banished to Remus, How did he become the new Romulan Praetor? Picard calls him "Praetor Shinzon". I suppose it's possible that he's the Reman Praetor. I'm thinking that they're on Remus when Shinzon walks down those stairs. The fact that Shinzon looks like a Reman in silhouette makes me believe that Picard and compnay believe Shinzon to be Reman until he raises the lights.
I guess I'll just have to see. This idea of him being exiled to Remus strengthens my belief that he's fighting the Romulans.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Good points. I think he's out to screw everybody. He's not Romulan (although raised with their ethics to be their agent). He's not Reman (or even mexican). He's not likely to be loving Picard either, being a rapidly decaying clone of everybody's hero. I note the scene from the expanded trailer: Shinzon: "Set a course for Earth...Kill everything."
Posted by akb1979 (Member # 557) on :
Anyone know a site where I can download the trailer permenantly onto my hard drive? (I'm kinda sick of loading it, watching it once and then losing it - I'd like to watch it again and again, 'cause I miss things the first times around).
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: But... if he was banished to Remus, How did he become the new Romulan Praetor? Picard calls him "Praetor Shinzon". I suppose it's possible that he's the Reman Praetor. I'm thinking that they're on Remus when Shinzon walks down those stairs. The fact that Shinzon looks like a Reman in silhouette makes me believe that Picard and compnay believe Shinzon to be Reman until he raises the lights.
I guess I'll just have to see. This idea of him being exiled to Remus strengthens my belief that he's fighting the Romulans.
Do you really want to know? Because if you do, I can tell you. But if you'd rather just speculate and be surprised, that's good too...
-MMoM
P.S. I'll tell you one thing that you're right about, though. Shinzon and his Reman thugs are indeed fighting the Romulans, in ADDITION to the Federation. Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
No... I don't really want to know In fact, I should exile myself from this thread for a few weeks I already know more about the movie than I want to Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
no, no, the vest klingons are Mongolian, not Mexican. only the sombrero klingons are Mexican.
Posted by Dr. Phlox (Member # 878) on :
quote:Originally posted by akb1979: Anyone know a site where I can download the trailer permenantly onto my hard drive?
If you have Quicktime you can download that version to your hard drive, there was link in the TrekWeb article.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by EdipisReks: no, no, the vest klingons are Mongolian, not Mexican. only the sombrero klingons are Mexican.
That explains why my Klingon fajitas sucked so bad.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I have not read the script (AND DO NOT WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS!) but it seems a bit unbelievable that a single Romulan/Reman ship, even a supercool one, could sterlize Earth. Previous assaults on the planet have either been by aliens with an overwhelming technological superiority or have been quickly foiled. (I'm thinking here of the Breen, who may have gotten close enough to take some shots at San Francisco, but obviously didn't get very many before being disintegrating by Earth's defenses, whatever those might be.)
But I suppose that paragraph can't be confirmed or denied without telling me more than I want to know, so I will change the subject.
I still don't think those last three or four things like anything like torpedoes, but I do agree that that is probably what they are meant to be. Also, doesn't anyone else think the phasers look a bit more Wrath of Khan-ish, in their stuttery nature? Not that each beam appears to be composed of lots of seperate beams, but that they're...you know...stuttery. Skittish. I'm not making any sense, am I?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
You're making perfect sense, and I've thought about it too. I think that this is what Picard wanted - the phaser burst would doubtless consume less energy and recharge time, allowing multiple shots to be fired in a relatively short about of time. They certainly were not intending to damage the target with it, just find it. You'll note that the phaser fire is still the traditional stream - no two beams were fired in the same direction from the same emitter. Likewise, in other shots in the clip, the E-E phasers were also standard fire - but with curiously short (or even absent) "powerup" FX from the emitters.
See "Conundrum" for an example of the E-D doing this against a batch of puny fighters.
Mark
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Well, if you've seen the preview, you already know that the Scimitar can fire while cloaked, and by TNG almose any of the major power's capital ships could lay waste to a planet. Even Sisko in the Defiant was anle to render a planet uninhabitatable with the right materials.
I'm sure that if the uber-powerful Scimitar (while cloaked) opened up on STarfleet command, they could eliminate at least NOrth America before anybody could put up a defense.....and it'd take alot of ships to destroy the cloaked Scimitar.
...as long as they don't use the crappy "you're the only ship that can intercept them in time bullship line that we get almost every movie. It was even in the first movie!
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Start as you mean to go on Posted by TheF0rce (Member # 533) on :
I think the Scimitar also have shields up when cloaked. Every time the Ent-E hits it, a patch of green comes up.
Of course we don't know if that’s just a side effect of the new cloak
Posted by QuinnTV (Member # 859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Shik: "Mexican Klingons?"
Heh...how do you say "badges" in Klingon?
Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges!!!!
(Or badgers , for you UHF fans) Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
To go back to the shields briefly. We've pretty much always had conformal shields. The big bubbles are the first-line -- the deflector shields (not to be confused with the navigational deflectors). They can't handle much, but the primary confomral shielding can...
--Jonah
Posted by The Mike from C.A.P.T.A.I.N. (Member # 709) on :
this was touched on in ST2.. the Enterprise, upon the calling of yellow alert, raised deflectors.. it showed the hull glowing in the status display.. then it was said the shields were still down when they were fired on.
so, shields = bubble around ship deflectors = field along the hull.
in fact, we might go so far as to say that deflectors could seem to be an evolution of polarized hull plating, basically an energized hull field that is unlike the later TNG era bubble forcefields.
Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
I just saw the Nemesis trailer before Die Another Day... is it me or does it look like the Enterprise-E's saucer is cutting the other ship?
Posted by RAMA (Member # 380) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: Go here and follow the appropriate links. There's over five minutes of Nemesis footage, including a rather large chunk of the big space battle between the E-E and the Scimitar.
Keeping this in context, there's a quick shot during the battle sequence when Picard orders a phaser sweep to locate the cloaked ship (way cool!). At one point, we see her firing aft - but not necessarily using phasers. For those willing to check the footage out, would anyone care to comment on these particular weapons? Regardless, it seems the E-E is getting a workout like we've never seen before!
Mark
I believe this is the first time we have EVER seen the full use of the phaser strip, first seen in STNG! The Enterprise fires two volleys of photon torpedoes that seem exceedingly slow compared to even the E-D firing a barrage from Encounter at Farpoint.
Thanks Dr. Phlox - I missed that link the first time around.
Having now watched the whole file have the following things to say:
1) Now that's how phasers are meant to be used (Enterprise shooting in an attempt to find the Romulan ship).
2) I can't believe how S-T-U-P-I-D Riker is - no wonder he's not a captain.
Data: Forward shields are down to 10% Riker: Bring us about
What an absolute tosser. OK, so it was in the script, but come on - 10% left in your shields on any side, you either turn a stronger shield to face the enemy or run - not turn to face them! What a moron! ARRH!
Oh yeah - does anyone die in this film? Please tell me it's Riker!!!! Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Well, I don't have high hopes for Ensign Uh-Oh's emergency suitless EVA...
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sol System: Well, I don't have high hopes for Ensign Uh-Oh's emergency suitless EVA...
Not exactly a blessed position on Enterprise E is it? Ensign Uh-Oh is going where no federation ensign has gone before....into orbit around Remus. Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: [ Keeping this in context, there's a quick shot during the battle sequence when Picard orders a phaser sweep to locate the cloaked ship (way cool!). At one point, we see her firing aft - but not necessarily using phasers. For those willing to check the footage out, would anyone care to comment on these particular weapons? Regardless, it seems the E-E is getting a workout like we've never seen before!
Mark [/qb]
I believe this is the first time we have EVER seen the full use of the phaser strip, first seen in STNG! The Enterprise fires two volleys of photon torpedoes that seem exceedingly slow compared to even the E-D firing a barrage from Encounter at Farpoint.
RAMA [/QB][/QUOTE] Enterprise D used all her phasers in the initial encounter with the Borg in BOBW pt1....but, of course, it did squat. Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
RAMA: I'm not sure that it counts as spam when you link to nothing but a single crappy graphic from your site, but it's still off-topic and repetitive. So stop it. Put it in your sig, if necessary.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
I just watched the clip (finally) and I don't think those rearward bursts are torpedoes. . . I suppose they could be microtorps, but even then I'm not convinced.
So Iwas thinking: directly aft and above the ship has often been a bit of a blind-spot, and you can't get a good field of fire what with the nacelles and all. So a weapon to fire aft (and upwards) might be a good idea. I really do like the idea of pulse phasers back there; given the fact they're quite close to the impulse engines, you wouldn't have the bizarre recoil problems the Defiant supposedly had. . .
Posted by Daryus Aden (Member # 12) on :
Definitely looks like a full spread of phasers, perhaps in shorter bursts using small sections of the primary bank. Who knows, perhaps they have sped up their discharge rates after the Dominion war. You can put it down to new technology.
Posted by StyroFoam Man (Member # 706) on :
quote:Originally posted by Vogon Poet: I just watched the clip (finally) and I don't think those rearward bursts are torpedoes. . . I suppose they could be microtorps, but even then I'm not convinced.
Chaff? Decoys? Flares? Posted by Mucus (Member # 24) on :
quote:Originally posted by Daryus Aden: You can put it down to new technology.
Well, unless we start seeing the same techniques in Enterprise as well. Heh. Anyone want to place bets? Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Actually, I just thought of a parallel: the antimatter bursts used in "BoBW2" to distract and confuse the Borg. . ? I mean, where the heck did those come from? Perhaps we're seeing an old depth-charge method of finding cloaked ships.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Ooh! I like that notion. There ARE phaser strips in that area, however I wouldn't yet dismiss the notion of popup launchers a la FC or DS9. Microtorpedoes are about the size of a highlighter (something I've never really agreed with, but whatever), and while they probably wouldn't do much damage to a starship, they'd flash really nice...
Mark
Posted by StyroFoam Man (Member # 706) on :
quote:Originally posted by Vogon Poet: Actually, I just thought of a parallel: the antimatter bursts used in "BoBW2" to distract and confuse the Borg. . ? I mean, where the heck did those come from? Perhaps we're seeing an old depth-charge method of finding cloaked ships.
Just to expand on the Antimatter Spread idea a bit... Prehaps a dedicated system for that mode of attack/defense? This class was after all designed to fight the Borg. (So I've heard.)
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
I doubt it. The antimatter spread didn't actually appear to do anything apart from making a lot of noise. . . (yes, Tim, I know there's no noise in space, I was speaking figuratively) And afterwards the Borg would be wise to such a distraction in the future.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Would they though?? They never could lock on to the spread - and well it was basically just a smoke-screen. They knew Locutus had been taken soon after so would probably be more warey if it happened again - but with out actually assimilating the particular data - I would guess that they wouldn't know. Which leads on to ask the question - did the techniques used by the crew of the E-D ever get released publicly?? I would say not - otherwise any fed ship that had that info in their data banks would be giving potential secrets to the Borg (if they were assimilated) thus those techniques could never be used again.
One could then say - to fight the borg the best defense would be a 'broken chain of command' or something - where no body knows the entire picture - not even the captain - thus if one is assimilated the plan could keep going. The opposite of a collective mind!?!
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
Point-that-hath-not-yet-been-made: There may not have been some final compositing work done on that footage and, say, torpedo spinnies could have stuck on afterwards.
Posted by StyroFoam Man (Member # 706) on :
One would assume that all the borg data is compiled somewhere, and reports are issued to the extent of "Captain Booger Of The Starship Kleenex developed a new anti-borg method based on the reaction between dilithium and hemmaroids. (Notice the spelling, don't try this with hemorrhoids...)"
That way starship captains would know what's been tried, and what worked, and what doesn't work.
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Would they though?? They never could lock on to the spread - and well it was basically just a smoke-screen. They knew Locutus had been taken soon after so would probably be more warey if it happened again - but with out actually assimilating the particular data - I would guess that they wouldn't know. Which leads on to ask the question - did the techniques used by the crew of the E-D ever get released publicly?? I would say not - otherwise any fed ship that had that info in their data banks would be giving potential secrets to the Borg (if they were assimilated) thus those techniques could never be used again.
One could then say - to fight the borg the best defense would be a 'broken chain of command' or something - where no body knows the entire picture - not even the captain - thus if one is assimilated the plan could keep going. The opposite of a collective mind!?!
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Of course, there's a larger problem. Namely, that starships apparently carry copies of the entire Library of the Council. (Or whatever they might call such a thing. Library of Memory Alpha, perhaps.) This seems like a very, very useful thing to have. At the same time, it would seem that by assimilating a single Federation ship, or at least one dedicated to exploration (those being the ones with such a library in our experience) the Borg would learn...lots of things.
Presumably there are security measures in place to catastrophically format Starfleet computers in such an event, but we haven't seen them yet.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
It's quite likely the Borg already have a complete set of the Encyclopedia Federationa. It probably takes time to look something up though, hence the time needed to adapt to new attacks. The reason they want to assimilate humanity is our ability to invent and imagine new ways of doing things. Of course, by turning humanity into drones they actually lose the qualities that make us special, but hey, the Borg were one big contradiction even before Voyager started in on them. 8)
Posted by StyroFoam Man (Member # 706) on :
Prehaps the computer core has a special "data destruct" system. Reformats the entire core with dollar-signs four times then detonates an explosive charge embbeded in the "libary" section to prevent that information from falling into enemy hands.
That way the operating system remains intact, but the sensitive data doesnt.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
back to the aft torpedos: I think they're some new Photon torpedos that moce a bit faster than the snails we're used to.....mabye the Quantum type can only fire from the forward launcher.....or it flew off with the silly Captain's yacht.... Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
We've never really nailed down whether or not launchers are generic and can fire either Photon or Quantum torpedoes, have we?
Posted by Shipbuilder (Member # 69) on :
I think someone has brought up the fact before that the quantum and photon casings are similar enough (width/thickness-wise) to be launched by the same type of launcher. If its all done by magnetic driver coils anyway, there's no need to have a special launcher for each of the two casings. The only difference is that quantums are probably self-contained and don't require the reactant loading systems that prep up the photon torps.
So why, for example, don't we see the Defiant's "shoulder-mounted" pods firing photons? Maybe each of the launchers has a specific "ready load" that only includes a particular type of torpedo....shoulder launchers = quantums, while the nose = scientific loadouts, and aft launchers = photons.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Aren't those pods meant to be swappable units? Their location sort-of rules out the possibility of an antimatter injection system. . . As far as I can recall, most other classes have their launchers more inboard and close to the engineering location. Whic makes sense if the Defiant does have one rear launcher.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I don't think one Starship - even the likes of the Enterprise has an entire Federation databank. Remember there are a few times there where someone needs to uplink with a Starbase to retrieve extra information.
Andrew
Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
Could be they were just asking for an update-download.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
LCARS Service Pack 512?
Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
quote:Originally posted by Shipbuilder: I think someone has brought up the fact before that the quantum and photon casings are similar enough (width/thickness-wise) to be launched by the same type of launcher.
I'll raise my hand and claim responsibility for that... I think I've argued loud enough to be known as that theory's biggest fan.
quote:So why, for example, don't we see the Defiant's "shoulder-mounted" pods firing photons? Maybe each of the launchers has a specific "ready load" that only includes a particular type of torpedo....shoulder launchers = quantums, while the nose = scientific loadouts, and aft launchers = photons.
You're probably right, the Defiant more than likely to save room doesn't have a single store room, but instead just has weapon packages near the launchers. --- At the same time someone else brought up the little problem the Defiant has with loading photon torpedoes with antimatter. More than likely the Defiant's weapons are already armed, making a loading system for the antimatter unnecessary.
Posted by Shipbuilder (Member # 69) on :
DS9TM specifically states that the launchers have the necessary reactant systems for photon operations. This isn't inconceivable if you consider that the Defiant probably has a smaller magazine per launcher than other ships. For instance, if the loadout for each launcher is 20 torps, that's only 60 kg of reactants (based on the TNGTM max 1.5 kg of antimatter per torp). I could see quick change type magnetic bottles that could feed the reactants into the torps. This wouldn't require feeds from the main reactant lines and would probably be alot safer than carrying around live warheads in the torps.
Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
come up with a better explaination than me will ya...
show off! Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
I'm all for "quick change" type multi-munition launchers, with the added complication that "quick" is a relative term.
Aboard a small ship like NX-74205, it may not make sense to carry along all the modules needed to change a launcher's configuration. Nor may the small engineering crew have the time to perform the operation in practice. So instead, the ship is pre-configured for the mission back at DS9, where there is time and space and manpower. Launchers X and Y are configured for q-torps, launcher Z for p-torps, and a few probes are also loaded into the magazine of launcher Y. For the next mission, all launchers might carry p-torps.
Aboard a large ship, "quick swapping" is quicker. But a large ship need not *have* the capacity for quick swapping, since it can carry a larger number and thus a larger selection of fixed-configuration launchers to begin with. Thus, each launcher can be optimized for a certain type of munitions, thus avoiding the inevitable compromises of a multi-munition device.
So the E-E *could* have a q-torp-only turret and p-torp-only paired tubes, if the drama so requires. Or she could have multi-munition weapons all over. There's plenty of engineering logic for both alternatives.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Shipbuilder (Member # 69) on :
Actually Timo, the quick change idea was referring only to the reactant loaders. This negates you needing feedline taps into the main matter/antimatter supply lines. If I read your comment right your thinking more like the current VLS tubes aboard naval ships....they come prepacked and loaded into the ships (can be reloaded at sea if necessary).
Earlier, I was stating that the Defiant had a smaller magazine, not necessarily a changeable one (which would require penetrations in the hull or a big pathway from a cargobay etc. for loading).
The ready loadout that I was mentioning would be similar to what you said about specific torps for a particular lancher, but it would involve loading individual torps into the magazine, not an entire quick change magazine. Basically, you don't have to configure the launcher or the magazine any differently, you only load up with whatever type of ordinance you want. This could allow engineers to perform reloads during operation by basically pulling torps from other launcher magazines.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
The DS9TM makes it seem that the newer Quantum kind is waaay better than the older Photon type and would be replacing the photons eventually fleetwide, but as of the start of hostilities with the Dominion, there were few overall torpedos in inventory and those were rationed to the ships in harm's way (Defiant)..... and bozos (Enterprise)guarding the Neutral zone! Posted by Shipbuilder (Member # 69) on :
Probably more like a supplement to photons and not a direct replacement due to the manufacturing problems mentioned in the DS9TM. Inventories would stay low, and probably reserved for the ships like you mentioned above, until these problems were addressed.
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