Does anyone know what this is? I was recently scanning through the Startrek.com site under 'characters' and one was Lt. Cmdr. Syvar. He was described as a Vulcan and science officer of the Garuda who seems rather proficient at darts, but nothing else was mentioned about the ship on the site, nor have I noticed the ship in anyones list or on the search function in Flare. Here is the evidence I have since found:
It is from the DS9 episode "Shakaar", the following list-items were taken from the script:
SYVAR: "My apologies. I did not intend to alarm you. I am Lieutenant Commander Syvar, Science Officer of the Garuda." O'Brien stands up, rubbing his head. O'BRIEN: "It's all right. I'm Chief Miles O'Brien. What can I do for you, sir?" SYVAR: "I understand you are quite proficient at the human game known as 'darts'." (Later we find out Quark had planned a match between the two).
DEEP SPACE: "Shakaar" - REV. 04/04/95 - ACT FOUR 37. 25 EXT. SPACE - DEEP SPACE NINE (OPTICAL) Re-establishing. The Garuda is still in port.
(O'Brien gets injured playing darts and Bashir informs him he needs surgury) SYVAR- "I do not make the rules. I merely follow them. In any case, the Garuda is departing this evening."
This is all I can find. Seeing as I have not seen this episode in many years can anyone confirm the mention and appearance of this ship or was it totzlly removed from the final cut??
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on April 13, 2003 08:54 AM:
Are you serious? April 1st was two weeks ago.
I never heard of this guy, nor do I recall any mentioning of the vessel. If it's from the script, it has been cut before the episode went into production. Otherwise they would have had to cut the space-shot, and cutting SFX is something they rarely do. Furthermore, this seems t be more than the usual one-liner you cut to get in more commercials. Of course I could be wrong and it has been edited out. But I'm quite sure my version does not contain such a scene. What season is it? DVDs anyone?
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on April 13, 2003 09:56 AM:
It's no prank, I just ran a search in the DS9 Companion and the man's info is correct.
After scolling through the script a little, it seams that quite a few of the scenes between O'Brian and the Vulcan were cut down a bit. This makes sence given that this is the "B" story and that it wasn't really important that he b from a Starship when he could just as easily have been a member of DS9's Starfleet crew. Assuming that the final cut didn't include the Vulcan's name or his assignment I see no harm in adding this ship to the lists, since there is apparantly no contradiction with canon.
Note that while it says that the Garuda is a Prometheus-Class ship, from the context the author obviously meant Nebula-Class.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on April 13, 2003 09:57 AM:
Kewl.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on April 13, 2003 10:17 AM:
Wow, cool...
Too bad we'll never get any registry number for it since it was going to be a reuse of a stock shot, and it's from a cut scene anyway.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on April 13, 2003 11:22 AM:
"Shakaar" is ep 24 from season 3...and I dont recall any ships whatsoever in that episode, but again, this was many years ago when I last saw it.
And I havent gotten many of the TNG/DS9 DVDs yet, but would they reinsert footage into these episodes or were they just plain not filmed?
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on April 13, 2003 11:25 AM:
Wow, rarely is a new ship ever discovered...
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on April 13, 2003 12:21 PM:
Garuda (for those of you keeping track) is the eagle mount of Vishnu, one of the greatest gods of Hinduism.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on April 13, 2003 12:50 PM:
It was also the name of the robot battlecraft in Toho's Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla II, for anyone who's into movie trivia. Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on April 13, 2003 02:06 PM:
Well, we've had starships and starship classes named after something Japanese... although naming a USS Yamaguchi still makes me wonder.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on April 13, 2003 02:57 PM:
You mean Indian. Im not too sure Garuda qualifies as a Japanese name considering their primary religions are Buddhism and Shintoism.
Yamaguchi is from either:
1)- the prefecture or the capital city of the prefecture Yamaguchi on the Japanese island of Honshu.
2)- the Japanese/American 1992 Olympic figure skating champion Kristi Yamaguchi.
Unless Okuda is a personal fan of the skater, as the pilot was probably in production when she won that makes sense, I would guess for some reason it was probably the city/state Yamaguchi....
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on April 13, 2003 03:42 PM:
I think he was referring more ot things like ships called "Akira", which suggests that "Garuda" could very likely be from the Godzilla movie.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on April 13, 2003 07:52 PM:
It's also an Indonesian air-line.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on April 13, 2003 10:00 PM:
The Akira is dedicated to Akira Kurosawa, not the anime Akira, last I heard.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on April 13, 2003 11:08 PM:
No, it's after the movie. And Yamaguchi is named for the general.
Posted by Dr. Phlox (Member # 878) on April 14, 2003 01:48 AM:
Kind of off-topic, did anyone else notice that the name of the USS Repulse's Type 7 shuttle was revealed on the TNG DVD's? A photo was shown of the model with the name D'Alison.
quote:Originally posted by Dr. Phlox: A photo was shown of the model with the name D'Alison.
Cool. On which disk set?
Posted by Dr. Phlox (Member # 878) on April 14, 2003 03:40 AM:
Season 4, Selected Historical Data. They don't discuss it in the commentary, but they do show the photo a few times and zoom in on areas of it.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on April 14, 2003 04:38 AM:
Wow... I never noticed that you can see the Repulse out the shuttle bay doors... that's cool... Only Second season, too. And this is the same season that produced Shades of Grey as the season finale.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on April 14, 2003 04:59 AM:
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*Double post* Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on April 14, 2003 05:00 AM:
So who or what is D'Alison? I already tried google, but no luck there.
As for "Shakaar", I've just watched the episode to be sure. There is a vulcan, but his name is not mentioned. We don't see his ship or hear his rank. When the camera cuts to the scene, he and O'Brien are already playing. When he grabs Quark's mug and Bashir tells him that he can't continue playing with his shoulder, the Vulcan only says that he'll loose the game if he leaves the bar. Nothing about his ship at all. The script doesn't seem to be the final version. From what I saw the Vulcan and O'Brien behave differently, their lines were altered and the whole B-plot was shortened. Furthermore we got a view of the station some time before this scene, and there was no ship docked, neither Starfleet nor any other.
The Vulcan's name is not mentioned in the credits, allthough the Companion (the book) does indeed list his name.
Posted by Dr. Phlox (Member # 878) on April 14, 2003 07:37 AM:
I wouldn't be surprised if D'Alison was a reference to one of the modeler's wives. The Shuttle Alison = D'Alison? Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on April 14, 2003 11:25 AM:
"And this is the same season that produced Shades of Grey as the season finale."
Well, that's because they ran out of money. No doubt from doing things like showing the Repulse out the shuttlebay doors...
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on April 14, 2003 12:05 PM:
This has come up before, but was "Shades of Grey" purely budgetary in origin, or did the writer's strike have something to do with it?
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on April 14, 2003 12:07 PM:
Thought it was a little bit of both...at least the strike was the cause for the season to not start until something like late November in the first place....
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on April 14, 2003 07:05 PM:
I remember a comment about that shot. Something about the fact that the port nacelle should have ALSO been shown out the shuttlebay door.
And reguards Season 2... don't forget we had the superb "Q-Who?".
Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on April 15, 2003 07:54 PM:
Vraiment. "(Le Shuttle) d'Alison"
Unfortunately D'Alison doesn't seem to be a French last name, but it may be the name of a renowned scientist in the future...
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on April 16, 2003 12:02 AM:
Alison is a french given name, I think. I know a guy named Alison. But he's Acadian, so that might not count...
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on April 16, 2003 02:13 AM:
The tale told elsewhere (I read it recently, possibly in the TNG Companion, but I can't recall precisely where now) is that they were considering a BoBW sort of thing for the end of season two, but didn't have the cash. Hence Hurley's hurried clip-script.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on April 16, 2003 03:15 AM:
Maybe it had something to do with the huge number of visual effects in the penultimate episode, "Peak Performance"? Having the Hathaway and the Enterprise engaged in simulated combat, resurrecting old sets and maybe creating new ones, not to mention the Romulan and Ferengi ships, probably amounted to a rather large drain. Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on April 16, 2003 10:05 AM:
The warbird was reused from "Where Silence Has Lease", I believe....
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