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Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
 
http://www.st-v-sw.net/STSWstnemramblah.html

It would appear that the shielding issue in Nemesis is even more headache-inspiring than I'd previously thought possible.
 

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Posted by Phoenix (Member # 966) on :
 
Wow. I only just realised that that's your site.

I love it by the way.

Anyway, perhaps the Scimitar had in fact lost its shields, but was pretending it still had them with some sort of sensor-fooling device. The crew of the Enterprise discovered this when they rammed it, and this is why they could beam after that - beforehand they thought they couldn't. The whole "they haven't got any shields!" bit happened when they pierced what should have been the shield bubble (according to the display it's a bubble, not the hull-tight shields the Enterprise has), during which time we were viewing the Enterprise from the Scimitar's perspective.
 

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
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Perhaps the Scimitar's shields are dynamic, like with Voyager's prison cells during feeding time, in "Repentance".

So the Enterprise's saucer penetrated the Scimitar's shields kind of like tearing through a virgin's hymen.
The hole doesn't grow bigger than it has to, so the Scimitar's shields were gripping around the Enterprise's saucer, a la labia.

Then the transporters could "send" people through the Enterprise's front hulk.
I mean, if the trannies can teleport a person or object within the ship, what's to say they can't put the person 20 meters forward, using the inside transporters? Through the opening in the Scimitar.

[ May 26, 2003, 06:41 AM: Message edited by: Nim ]
 

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Posted by Phoenix (Member # 966) on :
 

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Originally posted by Nim:
[EDITED FOR TELEVISION]
Perhaps the Scimitar's shields are dynamic, like with Voyager's prison cells during feeding time, in "Repentance".

So the Enterprise's saucer penetrated the Scimitar's shields kind of like tearing through a virgin's hymen.
The hole doesn't grow bigger than it has to, so the Scimitar's shields were gripping around the Enterprise's saucer, a la labia.

Then the transporters could "send" people through the Enterprise's front hulk.

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Originally posted by Jason Abbadon:

The computer is fucked up and Geordi's screen has frozen.

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Whatever floats your boat on this one. It's just fubar.

I don't know, though, if I'd like to think of a screen as just freezing . . . I'd almost prefer some sort of LCARS BSoD.
 

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Allright, I'm sorry I said "jizz", jeez. There, fixed it you old wives. :-)

You're right about the sparks. Though the gist of the theory was akin to someone spreading the middle ropes for the boxer to slip through to enter the ring, or...no. Forget it.
 

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Posted by Phoenix (Member # 966) on :
 
Well the way I break it down is:

There are no sparks when the E-E rams the Scimitar

Objects hitting shields cause sparks (seen in numerous episodes, and in fact this film)

Therefore,

The Scimitar had no shields when the E-E hit it

Furthermore,

Geordi's screen says that the shields are there

So, there are two options:

1) Geordi's screen was malfunctioning

This would mean it was malfunctioning before the ramming sequence, probably damaged in the fight. However, I don't think we have ever seen damaged systems give completely normal looking yet wrong readings, as we would have here. They normally just break down and don't work at all.

2) The E-E's sensors were being fooled

As I don't like the other option, this is what I chose.
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 

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Originally posted by Nim:
Allright, I'm sorry I said "jizz", jeez. There, fixed it you old wives. :-)

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Your post wil always be jizz to us.

 

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Posted by Cartmaniac (Member # 256) on :
 
It irreparably damaged my fragile prudish innocent psyche, to be sure.
 

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Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
 
Of course the Scimitar had no shields at the time of ramming. If she had, they would have glowed blue and the E would have bounced off them.

However, I'd think that both ships still had their SIF's going - or according to Ocuda, the Saucer would have flowed like warm butter when she went to full impulse.

Might the display have been confused, and showing the SIF reading? I doubt if those stop a transport beam.
 

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Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
 
The thing that really blows my mind is the use of numerous Voyager references to defend your theories!!
 

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Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
 
Wait a minute, O'Brien transported through the Phoenix's shields during warp... can't that help explain this strange problem?

Besides, the stranger thing in shields would be the Federation spandex version.
 

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Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
 
they werent at warp
 

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Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
 

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Originally posted by Futurama Guy:
The thing that really blows my mind is the use of numerous Voyager references to defend your theories!!

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"I was young, I needed the money!"
"It was dark, I was drunk, and I had bad footing!"

Seriously, though, if ever there's a plot that even something from Voyager could've solved, you know something's fubar.
 

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Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
 

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Originally posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge:
Wait a minute, O'Brien transported through the Phoenix's shields during warp... can't that help explain this strange problem?

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Originally posted by Futurama Guy:
The thing that really blows my mind is the use of numerous Voyager references to defend your theories!!

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Originally posted by Phoenix:

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Originally posted by Futurama Guy:
The thing that really blows my mind is the use of numerous Voyager references to defend your theories!!

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What's wrong with Voyager references? The fact that you don't like it doesn't affect the fact that it's canon.

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Originally posted by Guardian 2000:

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Originally posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge:
Wait a minute, O'Brien transported through the Phoenix's shields during warp... can't that help explain this strange problem?

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What CaptainMike said. Also note that there was a throwaway line regarding that . . . O'Brien said "glad we're trying this with a Federation ship, it would never work against an alien vessel" or words to that effect.

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Originally posted by Futurama Guy:
If Star Trek plots were cheese, Voyager would have been the Swiss...

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Originally posted by newark:
Or not. AS Mr. Okuda has stated, each fan must decide for themselves what is canon.

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It is for the purposes of G2k's website.
 

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Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
 

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Originally posted by Futurama Guy:
Actually it was more like something to the effect that the shields of a Nebula-class reset their modulation every 5 minutes and that he could beam in during that moment.

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Originally posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge:
But that means the shield modulation would explain how the Borg could beam onboard the Enterprise-D back in Q Who.

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Anyway, I really don't know how to explain why the Schimitar had more shields, and a bubble one as oppose to the spandex one the E-E had, and still managed to get rammed with 70% left. What was John Logan on when he worte this and where the hell were the sci/tech advisors?

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