I was capturing some images from an old video related to Phase II and in the same program there were an interview with Bill George and during it there was an odd insert shot of this...
I apologize if this is old hat, but I thought I'd share.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Hmmm... well, it's not a filming model. At most, it appears to be a concept model. But it's an interesting picture.
Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: Hmmm... well, it's not a filming model. At most, it appears to be a concept model. But it's an interesting picture.
Possibly. The molding looks a little final for a concept, not to mention all the portholes drilled out for fibre optics (presumably). Curiouser and curiouser.
And I should have titled the topic "Oberth Class Valiant, as there's no USS legend on the model.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
it doesnt look like THE filming model though.. i think there are a few details 'off' but i could be mistaken. if this was a concept ship that was labeled Valiant, it probably means that the various sources for info about the Valiant labeled Oberth were referring to this one, which, if it is a prototype or stand-in for the actual model, mightn't have been filmed, with or without the Valiant label. does this make the Valiant appearing in an actual production that much less likely?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
It's the study model for the actual ship design. Several study models were built for STIII including three Excelsiors. The scale is diffrent on the study model: if it was used at that scale, the ship would be about 300 meters long.
Posted by newark (Member # 888) on :
The Valiant I saw was the actual model used in the production of the series and films.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Definitely not that model though: Look at how thin the pylons to the secondary hull are on that study model. This one was probably used as a stand in during the VFX placment shots.
Posted by TheYoshinator (Member # 1066) on :
Yes, Thats the study model. I remeber it from way back when they were doing specials on the Making of ST:III.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
There is supposedly an Oberth model at the Sydney Planet Hollywood. I've never been there, I live in Brisbane - but I saw it on some little clip when it opened a few years ago... it is hanging from the ceiling.
I always wondered how they would get the model for that when they would surely keep it at Paramount for future use. I guess it's a copy or one of these three originally built for STIII?
I don't think there is anyone from Sydney on here - to verify what it is. Dax is in Perth, Daryus Aden is in Melborne - or Victoria at least.
Posted by Griffworks (Member # 1014) on :
I believe that Planet Hollywood� commissioned various Trek models for different locations. They probably went to someone like Greg Jein and asked him to build three or four of x ship and then put one of each of them in different stores. I've heard tale of two different refit 'E's' in Planet Hollywood� locations at the same time, which is where I draw my conclusion from.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Isn't their some story in Treklore about one of the original filming E-D models (the 6' or 8'er?) that was lost for many a year and was finally relocated in one of those theme resturants (such as 'Planet Hollywood') near the kitchen, all covered in cooking grease? Where did I hear that...like the TNG S.2 DVD bonus features set?
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
The fact that these Planet Hollywood ship models may be purpose-built might have some bearing on the relevance of the age-old Trinculo debate.
Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
quote:Originally posted by Futurama Guy: Isn't their some story in Treklore about one of the original filming E-D models (the 6' or 8'er?) that was lost for many a year and was finally relocated in one of those theme resturants (such as 'Planet Hollywood')
Indeed. I'm pretty sure it was the 4' E-D miniature anyway.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Hmm, yes, nonetheless, it seemed to be a big thing for them to recover it after so long.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Mabye they'll uncover Picard's chair from Nemesis on day.
....but they'd better have 'em a search warrant! Prahaps i've said too much already...
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Not like they'll use that exact chair again anyway. They still have the replacement and the chair with the seatbelts.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
FUCK the chair with the seatbelts. God damn that was a stupid scene.
Somebody's got ne baddass K chair in their basement somewhere.
I heard they lost the Reliant filming model as well....I don't know if that was ever found.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dax:
quote:Originally posted by Futurama Guy: Isn't their some story in Treklore about one of the original filming E-D models (the 6' or 8'er?) that was lost for many a year and was finally relocated in one of those theme resturants (such as 'Planet Hollywood')
Indeed. I'm pretty sure it was the 4' E-D miniature anyway.
the 4-footer was used regularly even after TNG wrapped - i.e. DS9 - I don't think it's that one.
Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
How the f*** can they be "losing" these models.
I mean, it's not like they can be dropped on the floor and overlooked. These things are bloody huge.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Have you SEEN the size of the warehouse they keep all the Trek stuff in?!
Mark
Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
Plus greed.
In the US Army, it wasn't unknown for supply seargants to 'lose' anything from Jeeps to Surface-to-Air missiles.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Yeah, I've seen it. They did the final shot from "Raiders" in it.
Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: the 4-footer was used regularly even after TNG wrapped - i.e. DS9 - I don't think it's that one.
The 4-footer was last filmed for "WotW" as the Venture. That gives plenty of time for the model to disappear, end up in a restaurant, get found, and feature in the TNG DVD special features.
Besides, IIRC it's possible to see the Venture rego number on the recovered miniature. There was screen caps but I can't find them now. The model looked more like the 4-footer than the 6-footer too.
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
I remember seeing that concept somewhere... Interesting ship.
EDIT: Here it is.
Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Where to start...
Okay, about the stolen captain's chairs from Generations and Nemesis... Patrick Stewart said in an interview with Conan O'Brien that the E-D chair from Generations was stolen during the crash sequence. Then the Nemesis chair was also stolen during the end of filming for the movie, yet a lawyer contacted Paramount and "loaned" it for an undisclosed price. That lawyer still has the chair.
As for the 4 foot Galaxy Class models, I beleive the guy I met who worked in the art department said that the studio made about 4 to six ships from the moulds and destroyed them so no one else can make starships. One was used during the rest of the TNG series, a few went out to exhibitions and Planet Hollywood locations, and he snuck away with one unbuilt model. I am not quite sure how many were casted, but for all I know one was blown up for the Cause and Effect sequence since it was hollow.
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Masao: Is that ship for real?? And the other one in the same poster? Or is it just some role-playing game like FASA or LUG or something else?
Also the guy posted this: Avenger? Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
The Surya, the Detroyat, the Coventry, and the Ptolemy...
Posted by Griffworks (Member # 1014) on :
I've got that one around here somewhere. I miss the day when Star Station Aurora was putting out fantastic work like this.
*Sigh*
Durrr.... Nevermind....
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Topher: The Surya, the Detroyat, the Coventry, and the Ptolemy...
Nothing new (or good) in taht chart. I could work with that strange Oberth variant though. I doubt those were "in progress" anything, but rather poor renderings of limited refrences. I never saw anything that matches those supposed "in progress designs" for Spacedock or the Oberth.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
What about that sketch of the inside of Spacedock? I don't quite remember but I think the Excelsior in it looked a bit like this Oberth concept?
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
I scanned that sometime ago. Can't find it now.
But it didn't look like that so-called concept sketch. I think they are more like badly drawn artwork. Or at least done without much reference.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Spacedock looks like one of the "Art Of Star Trek" study modles & the "proposed Enterprise redesign" could in fact have been a stylization of one of the flattish Excelsior models.
You need to think about visualization angles.
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
I agree that those schematics in the first poster were probably based on single poor photos of each ship, maybe of study models, from deceptive angles. I remember doing the same kind of thing myself.
Posted by Griffworks (Member # 1014) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon:
quote:Originally posted by Topher: The Surya, the Detroyat, the Coventry, and the Ptolemy...
Nothing new (or good) in taht chart.
Personal taste, obviously.
quote:I could work with that strange Oberth variant though. I doubt those were "in progress" anything, but rather poor renderings of limited refrences. I never saw anything that matches those supposed "in progress designs" for Spacedock or the Oberth. [/qb]
And of course, since you've not seen it, they can't possibly exist!
Not.
quote:Originally posted by Topher: What about that sketch of the inside of Spacedock? I don't quite remember but I think the Excelsior in it looked a bit like this Oberth concept?
You mean this?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
i'm sure that sorry poster was nothing but bad art and had no official tie with the design process. I've seen all the other movie concept art for years and have over a dozen Trek ship refrence sites bookmarked and none of them have ever had that silly image. Prove me wrong, Jeff.
You just like the "antiquated look" of those drawings. Posted by Griffworks (Member # 1014) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: i'm sure that sorry poster was nothing but bad art and had no official tie with the design process. I've seen all the other movie concept art for years and have over a dozen Trek ship refrence sites bookmarked and none of them have ever had that silly image. Prove me wrong, Jeff.
I'll do my best.
Point being, stuff surfaces that was "forgotten" all the time. You don't know that those drawings weren't really made based off of a set of study drawings done in pre-production, do you?
Anyhow, take a look at the pics contained in this thread from TrekBBS. I've never seen them before yesterday and they help to illustrate my point.
Not exactly "lost pics", but they've never shown up in any of the books I own w/photo's. You just never know what is out there that was never documented properly for public consumption....
quote:You just like the "antiquated look" of those drawings.
Actually, I don't like those drawings at all. Why I passed them up twice for less than $5 a pop when I've seen them at Con's.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
But you DO still like the Plotmey and Destryat ships, so you've already proven that you're clinically insane. Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
Posted by Styrofoaman (Member # 706) on :
quote:Originally posted by CaptainMike:
"...now with even LESS content!"
Posted by Griffworks (Member # 1014) on :
quote:Originally posted by CaptainMike:
Don't hate, articulate!
Posted by Griffworks (Member # 1014) on :
To bring this thread back on-track....
I've not yet received a response over at TrekBBS. I also did a Google search, but to no avail. Mostly a bunch of "Yorktown" and "Yorktown II" apartments and condos.
Oh, well. I guess the film must have never been completed. I have a theory that Paramount shut them down after reading the article in "Starlog" magazine. I have an email pending to George Takei thru the contact page given at his website. Maybe that will give us some answers...?
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
TAKEI!!! Posted by Griffworks (Member # 1014) on :
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