In the opening of 'Star Trek: Generations' the Enterprise-B is christened by a bottle of champagne (not Picard vineyards) impacting and shattering on the docking hatch.
Where the heck is this hatch? I've searched every pic I can fine, and no hatch. Don't tell me they forgot to include on on the model!
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Logically, it would have to be on the saucer underside. Otherwise, the bottle cannot get to it (at least not with nothing but stars on the background), and the audience cannot see it impact.
But I have to admit it bothers me as well - it doesn't seem to be a "real" fixture of the vessel.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
The guys watching the bottle could have been watching it on a monitor or something too. Realistically-speaking, there's practically no way you can see a tiny bottle like that impact on the hull from the distance away they were, unaided anyway.
Mark
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Unless it was a larger-than-ordinary bottle... Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
"Computer, replicate a 20 foot bottle of Chateau P�trus, 82."
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I've always wondered about this too. I thought we had discussed it at some point in a "Design and Creativity" thread... but I don't remember what was decided. I don't think the hull detail from the opening sequence is on the actual model, though.
Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Well the bottle must have hit something from the Enterprise-B... the secondary hull perhaps?
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Maybe, but the docking hatch was of a similar design to the gangway hatch on the refit E-nil's saucer. The E-nil didn't have that kind of hatch on the secondary hull and the Excelsior model through all its incarnations never had any docking hatches on it.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
My guess would be that it was *supposed* to be the main gangway hatch on the secondary hull. The detail doesn't look right for the saucer edge. But, I don't think that detail was actually on the model. We can use our imaginations, though.
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
As cool as the effect was, the part that got me ticked is that the bottle would've been solid. How does it stay a liquid when outer space average temperature is only a few degrees above absolute zero?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Not in the sun, it ain't.
Mark
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Heat doesn't travel well in a vaccum. (At least as compared to how it travels outside of one.) I imagine there's a formula for figuring out how fast a given object will radiate heat, something complicated involving black bodies and who knows what, but suffice it to say that I don't believe a bottle of champagne is going to freeze solid in the time between someone chucking it out an airlock and its impact.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
And, of course, there are eleventeen treknological ways to prevent the bottle from freezing and, more importantly, to make it splash its contents in an Earthly manner when shattered.
The question isn't what laws of physics would dictate - the question is what tradition would dictate, and laws of physics can and will be bent by advanced treknology to allow for the tradition.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
If nothing else, I'm sure those great big spotlights were putting out a fair bit of heat. Possibly even the ship itself.
Or, y'know, magical particles.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Kirks ego
Posted by lennier1 (Member # 1309) on :
quote:Originally posted by Futurama Guy: Kirks ego
That would�ve been twice as big as the whole drydock.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
The bottle contained all of Kirk's sperm: his not reproducing was a cornerstone of the Khitomer Accords.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Kirk was the Austin Powers of spaceman.
Posted by Intruder1701 (Member # 880) on :
Either the bottle had a heat source in it or the deflector dish was sending out heat waves.
Posted by Wes (Member # 212) on :
Or the liquid inside could not freeze. It could of just been a show bottle for 'effect'.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Or maybe I WAS RIGHT AND NO ONE EVER LISTENS TO ME AND BOO GRR MAD!!
(obnoxious smiling face)
But seriously, like, Apollo 13? Three or so days with no power, and, according to official NASA scienticians the temperature in the command module dropped to 11 C, which is no good for camping, but not a bad temperature for a chilled (YET LIQUID) wine. I guess.
[I assume it dropped below freezing sometime before they got back to Earth, since movies never lie.]
{I don't know much about what temperatures are good for wines, though I do enjoy a nice merlot.}
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Probably from a brown bag, ya rummy.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
COLT 45!
Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
quote:Kirk was the Austin Powers of spaceman.
Well thank you... Posted by Intruder1701 (Member # 880) on :
I like my wine in a box
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by lennier1:
quote:Originally posted by Futurama Guy: Kirks ego
That would�ve been twice as big as the whole drydock.
Speaking of which, Shatner passed up an offer to appear on Enterprise feeling their $$$ offer was to craptastically low....
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Thank god: fuck that guy, anyway.
Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
How in the hell would they explain Kirk being there on Enterprise... ancestor plot driven syndrome?
Besides, I want to see the Federation flagship go boom... oh wait I'm watching Star Trek: Generations too many times again.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Woah, woah, ancestors who look a lot like their descendents? Or time travel? This is insane crazy-talk! Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"A lot"? Plausible. "Identical"? Stretching it.
Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Is it me or does the movie versions of the Enterprise-D's Red Alert, transporter sound, door chimes, and paint scheme in the corridors end up being used in ST: Voyager?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
(Tim, my point being, regardless of plausibility, that not only has Star Trek often done these things, Enterprise itself has already done both multiple times.)
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Not just Enterprise. It's a TV standby that if you travel back in time and look at your decendents, there is a high chance that they will be played by the same actor that's palying you.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Well, hence my shock! and confusion.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Of course the sound package is the same. It was included in the WindowsSF upgrade they installed when they got the wet bars on the sides of the bridge. Voyager would have naturally had the same sound package in her software.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: Not just Enterprise. It's a TV standby that if you travel back in time and look at your decendents, there is a high chance that they will be played by the same actor that's palying you.
Christopher Walken plays me in the past? Bitch better learn to speak in coherent sentences first....I can see it now:
"Hi....I'm...Jason....Abb..adon." "Do....youlike...Star Trek.....?' "I.....build....model Starships...."
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Is that Walken or Shatner!?! Imagine those two on screen together!?! Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
"The way your dad looked at it, this communicator was your birthright. He'd be damned if any of the spoonheads were gonna get their greasy hands on his boy's birthright."
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I was thinking of Walken from The Prophecy: "Some things....a talking monkey would understand." ...and he could be talking to a Mugato or something while he said it.
Imagine the finale of The Deer Hunter with phasers. (shudder)
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