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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Laz1701</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,7,29,1,31,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 29, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:31 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Here are a couple of designs I did a while back which I've never included on my site. The first is supposed to be an Ambassador contemporary, the second a Constitution II contemporary. If anyone wants to give them names and stats, go right ahead.<P><img src="http://www.pacificnet.net/~filmman/starships/unknown1.gif"><P><img src="http://www.pacificnet.net/~filmman/starships/unknown2.gif"><P><BR>----------<P><a href="http://www.pacificnet.net/~filmman/starships">The Starship Encyclopedia</a><P> <P>------------------<BR><p>[This message has been edited by Fabrux (edited August 29, 1999).] <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Black Knight</b> <br /><small>Member # 134</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,7,29,1,35,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 29, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:35 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> It ain't there <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif"> .<P>------------------<BR>"If you're at a a concert and somebody steps on your foot, let it slide. Its not worth getting 20 years because somebody smuged your puma."-Chris Rock<P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Laz1701</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,7,29,1,40,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 29, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:40 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Yeah, I noticed. Let me try again.<P><BR>[images edited out]<P>----------<BR><a href="http://www.pacificnet.net/~filmman/starships">The Starship Encyclopedia</a> <p>[This message has been edited by Fabrux (edited August 29, 1999).] <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Laz1701</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,7,29,1,45,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 29, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:45 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I don't know why they won't show up. I used the correct html. Anyway, here are links to them: <p><BR><a href="http://www.pacificnet.net/~filmman/starships/unknown1.gif">Ship #1</a><BR><BR><a href="http://www.pacificnet.net/~filmman/starships/unknown2.gif">Ship #2</a><BR><P>----------<BR><a href="http://www.pacificnet.net/~filmman/starships">The Starship Encyclopedia</a> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Aethelwer</b> <br /><small>Member # 36</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,7,29,1,55,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 29, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:55 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Actually, there's no closing quotation mark after the URLs.<P>I would call the first ship "Ambassador-class" and the second "Constitution-class." <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/wink.gif"><P>------------------<BR><A HREF="http://frankg.dgne.com/" TARGET=_blank>Frank's Supernifty Page</A><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Fabrux</b> <br /><small>Member # 71</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,7,29,12,27,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 29, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:27 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well, like Frank has mentioned, they do look a little like the Ambassador and Constitution II classes, but they differ enough to be different classes... Although the Constitution II contemporary looks as though it could be a Constitution subclass...<P>------------------<BR>All hands, brace for impact! <BR>WHAM!! <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> <br /><small>Member # 31</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,7,29,13,34,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 29, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:34 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well, that C-II w/ the funky nacelles might be different enough to... well, to constitute... a new class. But the only thing I see different about that <i>Ambassador</i> is it's <i>Galaxy</i>-class pylons, which isn't all that big of a change...<P>------------------<BR>"There's someone in my head, but it's not me..."<BR>-Pink Floyd, "Brain Damage" <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Fabrux</b> <br /><small>Member # 71</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,7,29,15,45,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 29, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:45 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Can't you people see the differences between the first unknown ship and the Ambassador? Maybe if I post them side by side you'll be able to see...<P> <IMG SRC="http://www.pacificnet.net/~filmman/starships/unknown1.gif"> <P> <IMG SRC="http://fabrux.virtualave.net/trek/images/ambassador.gif"> <P>Can you see the differences now? They hardly look anything alike...<P>------------------<BR>All hands, brace for impact! <BR>WHAM!!<p>[This message has been edited by Fabrux (edited January 15, 2000).] <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Laz1701</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,7,29,19,39,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 29, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:39 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Thanks, Fabrux. My "Unknown #1" is sleeker than the Ambassador and has a different saucer. It was actually my original design for the Renaissance, but then I found out the Renaissance is an Ambassador with the engines mounted parallel to the secondary hull, so I abandoned this design.<BR><p>----------<br><BR><a href="http://www.pacificnet.net/~filmman/starships">The Starship Encyclopedia</a> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Laz1701</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,7,29,19,55,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 29, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:55 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Here's Unknown #2 and the Constitution II side-by-side:<p><BR><IMG SRC="http://www.pacificnet.net/~filmman/starships/unknown2.gif"><P><IMG SRC="http://www.pacificnet.net/~filmman/starships/conII.gif"><p><BR>Unknown #2's saucer is also different, not just the engines. It's an intermediate step between the original Constitution saucer and the refit saucer. The engine comes from the Endeavor class. Contemporaries of this class would be the Endeavor and Tikopai.<P><a href="http://www.pacificnet.net/~filmman/starships"><P>----------<br><BR><a href="http://www.pacificnet.net/~filmman/starships">The Starship Encyclopedia</a> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> <br /><small>Member # 31</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,7,29,23,57,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 29, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:57 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well, I'll grant that ship #1 and the <i>Ambassador</i> look different, but I was originally chalking that up to the simple quality of the diagrams. I didn't realize it was intentional.<P>And there is no design for the <i>Renaissance</i> yet. It can look however you damned well please. :-)<P>------------------<BR>"There's someone in my head, but it's not me..."<BR>-Pink Floyd, "Brain Damage" <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Laz1701</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,7,30,2,14,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 30, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:14 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well, no official design, but I thought the generally accepted unofficial design is the one from the comic books, which is also featured at the Starship Schematics web site, and which looks like this:<BR><p><BR><IMG SRC="http://members.aol.com/filmman17/renaissance.gif"><BR><p>----------<br><BR><a href="http://www.pacificnet.net/~filmman/starships">The Starship Encyclopedia</a> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>AndrewR</b> <br /><small>Member # 44</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,7,30,10,59,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 30, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:59 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Can I call the first on the I-Chaya class<P>------------------<BR>"All is full of love, all around you" - Bj�rk<P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Bernd</b> <br /><small>Member # 6</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,7,30,12,31,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 30, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:31 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I like the Ambassadorish design. It looks much like Probert's concept sketch. I guess it's supposed to be smaller, though. Since I wasn't fond of the Ambassador kitbash as Renaissance class, I created a new schematic:<BR> <A HREF="http://www.uni-siegen.de/~ihe/bs/startrek/asdb/designs.htm" TARGET=_blank>http://www.uni-siegen.de/~ihe/bs/startrek/asdb/designs.htm</A> <P>------------------<BR>"The best diplomat I know is a fully activated phaser bank!" (Scotty, TOS: "A Taste of Armageddon")<BR><A HREF="http://www.uni-siegen.de/~ihe/bs/startrek/" TARGET=_blank>Ex Astris Scientia</A> <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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