Anyway here is something I did... its a chart - of starships - shillouettes... I remember seeing a TOS ship shillouette - with a heap of strange starships on it from TOS and the TOS movies... a friend had it. I think it was either from FASA or Starship Battles!?!
anyway - seeing as we don't have diagrams that all look the same - I went and did a shillouette chart similar to that FASA?? Brown and White chart...
anyway here it is...
Andrew.
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Andrew
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"We've got some new songs here that are not even on the MP3 thing. They're not available in any format, except of course the bootlegs that seem to proliferate all through our audience, as we watch people lip-synch along to songs that HAVEN'T BEEN RELEASED! DAMN YOU!" - John Linnell
anyway... Niagra I included cause... y'know people around here I think have begun to accept her and the Freedom with open arms...
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Ralph: Um, Miss Hoover? There's a dog in the vent.
Hoover: Ralph, remember the time you said Snagglepuss was outside?
Ralph: He was going to the bathroom.
But, the chart is...uh...comprehensive.
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"We've got some new songs here that are not even on the MP3 thing. They're not available in any format, except of course the bootlegs that seem to proliferate all through our audience, as we watch people lip-synch along to songs that HAVEN'T BEEN RELEASED! DAMN YOU!" - John Linnell
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"Dream not of today"
-Night blessing of the Yash-El
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"Alright, so it's impossible. How long will it take?"
-Commander Adams, Forbidden Planet
Oh all the ships - i.e. length etc. except the Freedom, Niagra, Nova, New Orleans, Cheyenne, Challenger, Sydney, Curry, Centaur, Prometheus and Yeager were originally from a chart done by Adam Hienb*** SP?? aka the Vorlon - from a few months ago... I just made them all shillouettes and added the other ships... i.e. they were the scans from the encyc - but they were his measurements - I just used it as a basis for the chart...
oh and it was done on the quick...
and yes I wanted it to be as 'comprehensive' as possible cause there is NEVER a comprehensive chart around...
thanks Frank
Andrew
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Hoover: Ralph, remember the time you said Snagglepuss was outside?
Ralph: He was going to the bathroom.
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Frank's Home Page
"Stuff" - Nobody
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Ralph: He was going to the bathroom.
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"When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative - violence. Force must be applied without apology. It's the Starfleet way."
A somewhat different Janeway in VOY: "Living Witness"
Ex Astris Scientia
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And the new owner of the 'Homeboyz in Outerspace' Hooptie
Space Ships
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"Alright, so it's impossible. How long will it take?"
-Commander Adams, Forbidden Planet
1) "Yesterday's Enterprise" precedes "Best of Both Worlds". (duh!)
2) By "Second Chances" and "Emissary", the model already sports an altered secondary hull, with the unlikely modification of new stern contours that cannot be the result of gluing in more parts.
The two-part question now goes: does "Data's Day" explicitly show new footage on the Ambassador model? If it does, are the ramscoops shuttered (this is the easiest way to distinguish between the E-C and Yamaguchi configs)? I haven't seen the ep, so I wouldn't know.
If the answer is yes to the former, no to the latter, I feel relieved. If the answer is yes to both, then I think I have solid if circumstantial evidence of navicide to present to the court!
If the secondary hull of the Ambassador really changes between "Yesterday's Enterprise" and "Data's Day", with no new footage of the Ambassador model seen in between and no appearance of the Ambassador during "BoBW"... Isn't the logical conclusion then that the modelmakers gutted the E-C model for spare parts to be used in "BoBW", then reassembled it using a new mold of the secondary hull (the original having been lost when some fan stole the prop for USS Princeton - oh, how I envy that putative bastard!)?
I ask the jury, isn't it rather unlikely that the secondary hull of the Ambassador model would receive new contours just because the modelmakers *felt* like re-casting the whole major component in a different shape? Isn't it a *strange coincidence* that this type of ship disappears from Starfleet use for a while, and suddenly the modelmakers are filing and puttying and cutting and welding their model to make the primary hull to fit into the secondary one "again"? Ladies and gentlemen, I say there can be only one conclusion - that a horrible crime of mutilation has taken place, and the severed lower body of the victim is now languishing with three, I repeat, THREE nacelles forcibly bolted onto it without consent or mercy.
I now give the podium to my honored opponent, Timo.
Thanks, Timo. Ahem, your honor, I only ask this: can available starship components from the time of filming of "BoBW", more specifically saucer halves and Galaxy-style nacelles, be correctly matched to the secondary hull of the Ambassador photographic model? If not, I suggest that charges be dropped at once. Also consider this: if a component of a *photographic model* was used to create a ship, why did we never see it featured prominently on screen in "BoBW"? With these questions, I rest my case.
Timo Saloniemi
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But seriously, forks, does anybody remember whether the Ambassador in "Data's Day" was the old E-C model or the new Yamaguchi one? That is, did it have narrow-slit ramscoops or full hemispheres? Did it have a round thingamabob at the center of the nav deflector dish, or just an uncluttered dish? Or did TPTB just recycle old footage from "Yesterday's Enterprise", complete with the battle damage and all?
Timo Saloniemi