Firstly, there's a new DH page, although it's still under contruction. There's plenty of useful info there already, however, especially the introduction.

We're still trying to decide what logo to use. There's the one up there now, and then these two, which Mucus designed:
Logo 2
Logo 3

Krenim is also working on one more. We're trying to decide which one is best...we can use more than one (randomly selected when people visit the page). BTW, if anyone wants to design another logo, please do. We're using green as the main color for now, as you can see.

Also, Krenim's RPG demo should be done in a few days. It'll be posted on the DH site at that time for download.

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The "original" true coloured logo http://www3.sympatico.ca/denis.yuen/storage/media/dhlogo.jpg
..was deemed too "inflammatory"

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I am most interested on "The terminal" i could work on some Trade ships or Patrol Vessels if you like ?

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As for The Terminal, Krenim will be happy to hear that you like it. I'll let him know you're interested. BTW, his RPG focuses on The Terminal.

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Yes, the RPG (entitled Distant Horizon: Terminal Origins) demo will be out very very soon. I can't say exactly when, though.

I was intending to do Terminal ships myself, after I finish the demo. However, this area of space is teeming with ships and stations, so Frank would be very happy if you would contribute in some way. There are a lot of places that have been named already, but there's a huge area of unnamed space to the "right" of the block of space The Terminal's in, so if you want to name the planet/station yourself, it could go there. Zybrogus X (alluded to, but not seen, in the RPG) needs a neighbor.

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I have a little something that I've been fiddling around with - and its more of a 'logo'. I hope that you can hold out just a little longer - I'll scan it in and then if you like it I'll zazz it up in Adobe...

I haven't really been following this Dark Horizons project - I think the threads just got too long - or something - but I jump at the chance for a bit of art work

I basically have the understanding that its a few of us here that have collaborated to create a sci-fi universe reminiscent of Trek, B5 or Star Wars?

What is the RPG? is it just a way to immerse yourself into it on the net?

Is it a commercial project? I thought it was just for fun?

Andrew
full o' the questions

Hang on - i'll put up my rough sketches soon.

Andrew

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By "logo" we mean something to put on top of the page. However, an actual logo to represent the project would be great...take as long as you need.

Actually, it's "Distant Horizon"..."Dark Horizon" is an unrelated Trek story by Fabrux, IIRC.

Correct...we want a sci-fi universe that people can use more or less freely, unlike Trek, SW, B5, etc., which people can only create non-canon material for. There are some differences internal to the DH universe, though...read the intro for more info.

The RPG is a standard video game-style one (like Dragon Warrior, etc.) set in the general area around The Terminal (and in it).

This is just for fun, but if a major studio offered us a movie deal or something...

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*Prepares self for rather painful smiting by Garak*

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I think that, if all goes well, the demo should be released by week's end.

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I've been giving it a lot of thought, and I was wondering if you'd be willing to do the title screen for the final version of the RPG. Here is the title screen for the demo:

Basically, what I would like is for you to do something similar, except in that really nice font you had in the logo (but blue-purple). Either leave out the words "Demo Version" or change it to "Full Version." It has to be a 320X200 pixel 24-bit bitmap.

Can you do it?

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And I can always try Krenim. Just a note though, that font doesn't do lower-case letters.

Also I apologize if anyone had trouble accessing the image. Tripod is a bitch about that sort of thing now.

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its coming - It can also have several variations...

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Andrew: That sounds good...again, these headers will be just for the front page, but a overall logo would have more uses.

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Let me explain a bit more on how these work , there are about 3 or so of these Facilities in Orbit around Takh they are acompanied by 3 Fuel Depots which im currently working on , The design is a take on Ds9's pylons basicly the Stations work as a loading dock the ship comes flies in through the pylons and is locked into position by the magnetic constrictors then the station extends the loading funnel and lines it up with the ships ore tanks after that is done an automated ore transport comes up from the planet and docks with the Station through the docking port inbetween the 2 pylons , then the station begins to transport the ore from the automated ferry to the cargo ship the is then released and contenues on to the orbital Fuel facility there it is refueled and resupplied and sent on its merry way . 2 ships can be loaded at once on each station . Well i hope you all like my first idea i know its not very original but its a start im already working on a new civilization which will be loacted near Zybrogus X .

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Well, in short. What I basically mean is, I need an area which is rather sparse in terms of stars, and several decades from being contacted by any major race. It will need a bunch of room "around" it, although it won't have a large "empire"...it just needs room. (For a reason)

I know I'm not being terribly specific, but thats to avoid spoiling the idea which I have rumbling around my brain.

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I certainly don't mind other people fleshing out the system a bit, but remember that stuff in the RPG may change circumstances in the region...

Just remember, The Terminal is by and large the biggest structure in the system. The mining stations would pale in comparison. I do really like the design, though. If you're not good with computer drawing, perhaps you could get someone else to do a really nice pic of it. If no one else volunteers, I most certainly will.

By the way, since I'm almost done with my playtesting, I've begun designing the Terminal patrol ships.

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"I was wondering, if we wanted to join the project, can we create a new civilization or do we 'have' to pick a shaded area on the map."

Nope, you can do either in most cases. Also, the use of a single planet or station group is often just as good as an interstellar government. (A planet with lots of large cities and so on could easily approach or exceed the combined population of Pawrinao, for example.)

"The thing is I have a really good idea for a rather small civilization. And it would be good somewhere 'north' of Astamir, perhaps near Telbin, or I suppose I could use Brasif if nobody else wants it and I can rename it. Well, in short. What I basically mean is, I need an area which is rather sparse in terms of stars, and several decades from being contacted by any major race."

Civilisation. (Read the intro if you haven't already to see what I mean.)

Actually, as I mentioned, all the governments in this area (which is all the blocks surrounding the default, a few deep in any direction, especially "north," actually) have all been in contact with each other for millennia. Your idea would need to go someplace out of the way...this is perfectly fine (we've got lots of space), but you couldn't really "interact" with any of the other established civilisations. However, that seems to be what you want, so that works out well, I guess.

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If you were thinking that civilization meant only one species, my idea would actually involve a pair of species, possibly a third, but definitely not more than three.

I would only require....maybe 6 systems. Only one actually in "use."

As for where, it doesn't really matter. I just need something out of the way, where nothing (planned as of yet) has been happening for say 40 to 60 million years. It also can't be "too" far because I do plan to eventually have it contact one other...erm civilization .

Also can we create the stuff (history, technology, summary, description, art) in HTML format? [with linked images]

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Anyway, your idea sounds good...I will most likely put them several blocks "south" (I'll figure out exactly where this weekend.)

Background info would be great. It doesn't need to be on the same server as the DH site, BTW...you can put it up elsewhere if you want to update it more easily, and I'd put a link from the main site.

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But, if you argue w/ him long enough, you can possibly get him to concede to certain points. That's what I had to do. Of course, he still doesn't want me to do things my way, but the problem in question most likely won't even come up in anything. It's more of a background issue that can simply be "not explained". :-)

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Well, only when it's used to refer to government or something.

"He has this odd idea that no species can remain an entity unto itself."

Well, after time, no race would. (Or even before coming into contact with other species...look at humans today.)

"Unfortunately, since he created this thing, we have to do it his way."

It's not a matter of doing something my way, it's a matter of common sense. There are species-based governments in Trek, B5, and so on because the various species only recently came into contact with each other. In other sections of the DH galaxy, I assume there are many isolated species. If you want to work on one of those sections, like Mucus, that's perfectly fine.

"But, if you argue w/ him long enough, you can possibly get him to concede to certain points. That's what I had to do."

Although, IIRC, you said you were just being stubborn.

"Of course, he still doesn't want me to do things my way,"

Because you didn't have any justification, unlike Krenim, for example.

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But if the species are vastly different in size, physiology (body chemistry, elemental makeup), or culture, they might never integrate.

Frank's arguement is that we are naturally integrating the various human "races", but notice we haven't shared a government with monkeys, or viruses for that matter. Different species may regard each other in that way)

That being said, I'll probably still have a six race civilization with three sharing a common ancestor. So Frank should be happy anyways

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Exactly, especially given lots of time.

"But if the species are vastly different in size, physiology (body chemistry, elemental makeup), or culture, they might never integrate."

I imagine that at this point, the different regions of the galaxy include species that share similar preferences for atmosphere, gravity, etc., since they all would have begun gathering together over time. In other parts of the galaxy, humans might need to wear specialised environmental suits when around the usual inhabitants.

"Frank's arguement is that we are naturally integrating the various human 'races', but notice we haven't shared a government with monkeys, or viruses for that matter. Different species may regard each other in that way)."

Well, humans are somewhat like a type of intelligent monkey. But intelligent viruses would probably be mostly in another location of the galaxy.

"That being said, I'll probably still have a six race civilization with three sharing a common ancestor. So Frank should be happy anyways."

As you mentioned, you wanted space away from any other civilisations, so it would work out well.

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Oh and by the way Frank, it looks great there. The best one. Although that's may be an extremly biased opinion. Glad you liked it though and if you ever want anything else my email address is [email protected]

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