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Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :

Here's a new ship I designed.

Believe it or not, I first sketched this ship before First Contact came out. So, while it may look like a "TOS-ized" Sabre, it's actually an original design. I had intended it to be an early Pre-TOS design and used engines from one of my Starfleet Museum ships from the 2170s. However, except for the engines, it could be from any pre-movie era. How old do you think it looks?

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[This message has been edited by Fabrux (edited April 06, 2000).]

Posted by Baloo (Member # 5) on :

It looks definitely later than the Daedalus class. It would probably fit in around the 2210-2240 period (just prior to the introduction of the Constitution class).

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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :

Maybe you shouldn't have mentioned the Sabre, and let people make guesses about what was your inspiration.

I guess it's rather newer than the Moskva, about 2190 in our timeline.

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

Me like! It's a good rendering too! The fact that it reminds me of the Sabre class doesn't really bother me though. Why shouldn't it?

I think it would fit in nicely in the TOS time line with just a few adjustments: It looks rather too streamlined for a TOS ship. Maybe if you made the secondary hull a little more cylindrical, it would fit in better. I don't think I'd like the design quite as much, but I think it would fit in better...

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

Didn't all the starships have different insignias in that time? If so, this ship is wearing the Enterprise logo!

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Posted by Starbuck (Member # 153) on :

Not quite, Prakesh.
The inner department symbol remained the same AFAIK, whereas the badge itself changed. For example in the Original Series, the Enterprise had a delta, starbases had a sunburst, and the Exeter had a rectangle.
(I think - I don't have my Encyclopedia to hand. Correct me if you like!)

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

Starbuck, I think you're right. For instance, the Exeter had its rectangle thingy with the little starburst down in the corner I believe. The star was for science I think. In fact, the signage for the TOS era ships didn't include a "ship's logo" like the TNG era's delta. So if anything is "wrong" with the signage, it is the fact that there is a graphic in the first place. However, if this were a science ship...I suppose we could overook it

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Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :

Actually in the TOS days, the star signified the command division not the science division. The science division had what appears to be two interacting circles. The ships' logo on TOS ships supposedly were a boomerang shape graphic.

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Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :

The command star is just a bit of non-canon liberty-taking. I figured that the star might be used as a general starfleet ship pennant. I used it for my other ships of the same era. The red stripes used on the Daedalus were too boring for me.

Regarding the era, I agree it looks later than I had originally intended, perhaps in part to the streamlining. I guess I'll need to swap out the engines. Thanks for the comments.

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Posted by Federation Shipmaster (Member # 15) on :

I think this is your first work I've seen. Very very cool.

Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :

Thanks, Fed Shipmaster! Go to the Starfleet Museum in my signature. Lots more ships there along with a few dozen ship's patches and some 3-D renders by Thomas Pemberton. (Also a lot of text, but you can ignore that.)

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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :

Okay, I'll delete all the webspace-consuming text.

I was thinking for quite a long time (in pre-internet times) that the starship pennant of the Enterprise was rather an arrowhead than a boomerang. So I thought the other ships (of which we have never seen any close enough) would have pennants corresponding to their individual badges too. However, the boomerang is definitely a different sign, and I tend to believe that all TOS ships have it. As for the pre-TOS ships, the "command star" is a nice idea. Maybe this was preserved as command sign when the new pennant (namely the boomerang) was introduced.

Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :

Regarding the "boomerang," I remember that in a TOS episode, maybe "Tribbles," you can see the boomerang on the wall behind an admiral talking to Kirk on a monitor. I'll have to check this, though. If so, the boomerang must be a sort of Starfleet symbol.

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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :

I remember those "fabric" emblems in the background. There might have been a boomerang in at least one episode.

Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

I think the boomerang and the red stripes are were Starfleets version of pinstriping in the pre TOS and TOS days. The Daedalus Class ships in the encyclopedia show a very similar design along their hulls.

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Posted by ASDB_J (Member # 312) on :

Excellent workmanship, yet again, Masao!

I'd have to agree with the too-streamlined suggestions, but since it's such a small ship (about 90m to the big "E" at 289m), you can probably get away with it, for the most part.

I saw the Sabre similarities before I read your post's text (^_^), but it also reminds me of the ISC Gunline ships from that "Starfleet 2300" white metal miniatures line. They were alien starships, but flew backward in relation to this design - they had a big gun where your main hull is... The only people I know are familiar with them are those who have played "Starfleet Command" in its hexagon-board game venue.

Incidentally, I like the different signage you've employed with the earlier ships...!

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Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :

Thanks Cap'n. I figured that Starfleet was unlikely to keep the same signage for 100 years. After all the US military has changed the national insignia on aircraft countless times in the 80 years since WWI. The Daedalus class has the three stripes and the Constitution uses the boomerang and the stripe. I figured something else might have come in between.

I've never seen the white-metal miniatures you mention. I only know the FASA variations on the original and refit Constituion hulls.

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

What software do you use?
Are these vectors or bitmaps?

Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :

The one and only program I've ever used is Freehand 7 for the Mac (hurrah!). It's a vector program. All the shading is done with gradient fills and blends. I know absolutely nothing about bitmaps and pixels. I let Bernd worry about them when the ships go up in the starfleet museum.

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