Now, here is/are the problem(s):

I'm theorizing that this Cardassian Battleship is utilizing some sort of stealth technology BESIDES a cloak ... it can somehow convince scanners (to a limited amount, at least) that it is not where it is ... this is how it is able to get past the various sensor and listening posts inside the Federation ...

I'm not sure how this would work.

Also, I'm trying to plot out how the Captains of three different ships (The Juno-Class Pancho Villa, the Sovereign-Class Segur, the Galaxy-Class Ark Royal, and an as-yet unamed Klingon bird of prey) coordinate their manuverings to find the Super-Cardie. I'm picturing them trying to plot out the Cardies' last known location and bearing, and fanning out on possible points from that, but -- ARGH!!! -- I'm lost.

Some stats on the Super-Cardie ship:

As big as a Romulan D'Deridex-Class Warbird ...

Is not able to travel at high warp speeds without losing the effectiveness of its stealth system.

May (or may not be) the Battleship seen in the DS9 episode "Valiant"

I'm guessing a crew compliment of 2,500 or so...

Will appreciate any/all help!!!! Thanks much!

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So, anyway, if you've got any cool names ...

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That ship could also feature the long-range-tachyon-scanner ( able to scan other cloaked ships in a distance). Seen in "Once more unto the breach" DS9.

Anyway keep us posted about your progress! Sounds promising!

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What would be cool, is if a super-Cardie warship leaves Dominion space, is shadowed by two Starfleet vessels, lets say something like two Miranda Class ships. A Federation ship, the pride of the Fleet, like a the USS Sovereign herself, or, even, the USS Enterprise E (obviously not the "real" timeline!), meets the super-Cardie warship, and is destroyed in minutes. Shocked, the Feds deploy and entire Fleet to chase the Cardie vessel back to Dominion Space, and, again, history repeats itself.

My point: The ship doesn't have to cloak, just be tough as hell.

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A truly cardassian dreadnought would be very interesting, seeing as the cardassian navy is even more low on ship-classes than the klingons.

I don't want to criticize your choice of vessels, but isn't a BoP a bit small? I'll bet Worf could get himself a Vor'Cha if he'd be motivated and pulled the right strings.

I also love the story of the Bismarck, especially the theories concerning it's direct destruction.
I've heard that the armor-plating was so effective that none of the allied guns could penetrate it, even when it was blasted to a floating hulk.
Instead, the germans themselves armed some explosives under the waterline before getting in the lifeboats, kind of a "scorched earth"-thing.

And you got the spelling right, btw.

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It might indeed be a wonderful story if multiple elements of the Bismarck story were used: an initial spotting and shadowing of two Dominion ships, unexpected destruction of Starfleet's pride, confusion and temporary loss of the Dominion ships, tracking down the bigger one by her wounds, escaping of the smaller to ravage Federation shipping for a while.

The process of locating the wounded vessel would be similar to what Kira and Dukat did in "Return to Grace": deducing what the enemy captain would do and where he would choose to sail next. Only if our heroes guess right will they come close enough to the ship's path to spot her trail, and then home on to the ship herself. If they guess wrong, entire planets may be lost...

Timo Saloniemi

 

Hope it helps to develop your dreadnaught!

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The story begins with a reporter broadcasting his "inside info" on the real loss of the HOOD -- which, I would imagine, has become a bit of a symbol to Starfleet (not as much as the Enterprise, perhaps, but ...)

A Klingon bird-of-prey, completely by chance, happens across the Cardassian ships' trail and manages to track it for a short distance before losing contact.

The starship Pancho Villa, which was damaged during the attack on the Hood but managed to escape, is also on the trail of the ship, her Captain (actually, Commander Kalil al-Hamad is kind of POed about the loss of the Hood) and is taking his ship to try and find the Cardie (to the shock of his crew who want to go scurrying back to base).

Also on the trail is Acting-Captain Michelle Dasz and the crew of the Sovereign-Class SEGUR (that's a Highlander: The Series reference there); and the crew of the Galaxy-Class ARK ROYAL (and I need some names for that ship, too)

I'm going to use certain elements of the actual Sinking of the Bismark, but not all. The Pancho Villa will probably be destroyed in a conflict with the ship, but it will damage the Cardie's rudder (I'll figure out some technobabble), disabling the ship from moving, and allowing the other ships to close in and destroy it ... (the BISMARK was attacked off the coast of France, and her rudder destroyed ... the ship could only turn in circles, I believe, and could not get to a safe port, so the British were able to close in and blast her from the water). Finding where the uber-Cardassian ship is will be the main tension of the story: all we know is that she is proceeding away from the Andorian system, and heading towards several possible destinations well in Fed space...

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"This is Miguel Molina, reporting live to you from the Third Fleet Flagship 'Akitshushima.' Deployed along the Andorian system, this fleet of close to nine hundred ships is here to defend the world from a suspected attack by the Dominion Fleet gathering above occupied Benzar.
"Just an hour ago, FIBNS learned that a mangled distress call from the USS 'Hood' was recieved last night. Many of you may remember the 'Hood' -- she fought in the campaign to retake the Chin'toka system. She has served in Starfleet for nearly forty years, and once, a long time ago, William T. Riker, the man who stopped the Borg after Wolf 359, served aboard her as Executive Officer. She was the lead ship in the Bor'al Colony relief effort. And last night, she was destroyed.
"Details are as yet, unclear. What FIBNS has learned is that the distress call was recieved by the USS 'Mair.' The 'Hood' and her escort ship, the Juno-Class 'Pancho Villa' came under attack by a Cardassian battlecruiser, of unknown design. During the conflict, the 'Hood' was destroyed and..." Molina stopped talking and frowned, someone was speaking to him through his earpiece. "Yes, it seems the Pancho Villa suffered heavy damage but was able to withdraw.
"Reporting live from the 'Akitshushima,' this is Miguel Molina for the Federation Independent Broadcast News Service."

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At some point, a distress call will be recieved: the ARK ROYAL, SEGUR, PANCHO VILLA will rush to the aid, only to find out its a civilian freighter whose captain panicked ...

Meanwhile, the Cardie ship hits a communication relay or something ...

Yeah ...

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Two (cloaked) Klingon bird-of-preys have tracked the Cardassian ship since it left Dominion space. They've been trailing it consistently, but have at times lost it from sensors and picked it up again.

This'll give me two Klingon ships to play with instead of just one.

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We've seen the Hood in TNG many times, depicted as an Excelsior class vessel. Now, unless we get some verification on whether or not it was destroyed yet, don't get your stomach in knots.

To make a comparable story to the Bismarck in WWII, the Hood, or whatever the name the unfortunate victim has, would have to be a Sovereign class ship. Galaxy would be the next best bet.

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Besides, the Valiant gave the Dommie-BC a handful, and the Lakota almost trashed the Defiant. I think the Hood with refits could prove a fair lady.

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Actually, I named Dasz after this REALLY cute girl I sat next to in a history class a long time ago ...

Anyway. I'm thinking of, instead of a Starfleet-ship ARK ROYAL, make it an Andorian Defense Fleet battleship, with an Andorian crew ...

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Lt. April Bogdanski
Cmdr. Christopher Hails
Ens. Michael Gulley
Lt. Cmdr. Sobek (Vulcan)
Lt. Kolax Ivari (Andorian)
Ens Sarah Kovaine (Human/Andorian)
Lt. Khlu'les (Klingon) (YES, it does sound like 'Clueless.')
Captain T'Pram (Another Vulcan)
Captain Daniel Shevok (Vulcan/Human)
Commander Grunnut (Tellarite)

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Some Andorian starship names (from the LUG RPG manual "Among the Clans"):

Omtil
Tishratin (Arrowhead)
Hsrith
Atlira (Falcon)
Gar'Lev
Khorval
Tel'ath
Hristish (Spear)
Artorev
Ga'Roth

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I didn't mean to imply that the Andorian-ship would be named ARK ROYAL, but since that was the name I was giving to (oh, ok, Shik suggested the name, so I need to credit him there) the Starfleet ship, I was just using it to stand in for the name of an Andorian ship.

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The Excelsior-Class 'Hood' is damaged enough that the ship will be laid up in a drydock for quite a bit of time. Newly promoted Rear-Admiral (LH) (or Commodore?) Robert Desoto ("Tin Man") has taken a Sovereign- (or other newer class starship) as his flagship. Using Admiral's discretion, he has renamed it the 'Hood' (very easy to do, considering the other ship is in drydock)

Meanwhile, two Klingon bird-of-preys have tracked a new class of Cardassian super-battleship leaving Dominion space. Covertly, they have followed, and contact Starfleet, which orders Desoto to intercept and destroy the super-Battleship.

The new 'Hood' and escort Juno-Class 'Pancho Villa' engage the super-battleship: the 'Hood' is quickly destroyed, and only with luck is the 'Villa' able to escape.

Meanwhile, the two BOPs have lost the trail, but a third is able to detect it, and follow it long enough to determine a course heading towards one of nine key systems/starbases/etcetra in deep Federation territory ... (and not only does Starfleet not have enough forces in the area to protect all these key places, they're thinking they'll need four or five ships to stop the thing, so they've really only got enough resources to defend one area)

Which is bad news, b/c Starfleet has most of her forces along the borders of her space. The forces guarding the Andorian system are already stretched very thin, but the Andorian/Starfleet Joint Command dispatches a Tishratin-Class Battlecruiser commanded by Gen. Kolax Avari.

Meanwhile, all three bird-of-preys are ALSO on the hunt for the Cardassian super-Battlecruiser (this is going on WAY TOO dangerously close to the Klingon border for Martok's ease, and also because, hey, their Klingons ...)

Starfleet dispatches the Sovereign-Class SEGUR, which has recently finished minor repairs in the area. The SEGUR is commanded by Commander Michelle Dasz, who has taken command following the captain's death in combat (Dasz hopes that if she is successful she will be promoted to captain and given permanent command of the SEGUR)

Also dispatched is the Galaxy-Class ARK ROYAL, commanded by Cpt. Kovaine ... also an Andorian (which can put him in a compromising position ... his loyalty to Starfleet over his loyalty to seeing an Andorian ship bring down a ship Starfleet can't)

Also, Commander al-Hamad (I've got his name written down somewhere), the CO of the 'Pancho Villa' has disregarded Starfleet orders to bring his ship in for repairs, and intends to hunt down the Battleship on his own.

From a Federation Intelligence post, a civilian Tellerite named ???? helps the search by providing details on sightings of the ship, and by providing the crews with info Federation Allied spies have been able to gather regarding the ship itself.

So ... we've got a somewhat inexperienced CO (Dasz), a CO who might be more loyal to the Andorian ship than to Starfleet (the Ark Royal's CO), three Klingons, a Tellerite providing assistance (I'm sure the Andorians will love that), and a semi-suicidal CO intent on destroying the thing himself ('Villa''s CO)

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Kolax will be happy to be promoted, since in my RPG, he's just a Lieutenant Security Officer.

*blinks*

I'm talking about a made up character as if he were real. I need a vacation.

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::whispers:: Where's that padded room?

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We can't go down that road, First!!!
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Now you must watch three Harry Mudd-episodes and like it.
Call me in the morning if it gets worse.

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If yes, then you can use the Sovereign and Galaxy class ships that destroyed the Cardassian Supership.

If no, then to make it comparable, the strike force will have to consist of a combination of Excelsiors, Mirandas, Steamrunners, Sabres, Akiras, and maybe a Defiant.

There were two key things that helped the Allies sink the Bismarck. The first was a direct torpedo hit to the front of the ship. This created a hole in the Bismarck's oil reservoirs. Thus the Bismarck was leaking a trail of oil which was constantly being tracked by the allies. The second was a direct torpedo hit to the ships rudder. As it turns out, the rudder was the Bismarck's Achilles heel, during it's attempts to evade the allies, the torpedo struck the rudder, and the ship's heading was frozen: right into the allies who were pursuing her.

Comparable possibilities: Klingon BoP's make attack runs on the Bismarck. The first time, they are able to make a direct hit on a vital plasma conduit. The Achilles heel would be the navigational system. Torpedo hits to the bridge might do the trick.

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I like your second idea. An Akira, more modern than an Excelsior but shorter, would fit the "Prince of Wales" role admirably. And those other ships you mention are good at being the proverbial cavalry.

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Keep in mind that the Cardassian battlecruiser is TWICE as big as the largest ship the Federation has to throw at it, so even a Sovereign-Class starship is "smallish" to it ...

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However, it appears that details on the final battle are not on that page.

Enjoy.

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a) Captain DeSoto and the HOOD participate in an action which routs a larger force of Dominion ships. During which, the HOOD is severely damaged. DeSoto is subsequently informed that he is being promoted to the position of Commodore and being given command of an attack wing whose CO recently was killed. DeSoto petitions Adm. Weinstein of Ship Ops to rename the flagship, the Sovereign-Class QUEEN ANNE, and permission is granted to rename the ship the HOOD.

b) A Starfleet Intelligence satelite post recieves word from a covert agent that a new, heavily armored Cardassian battlecruiser has been launched. It is the largest ship in Cardassian inventory, nearly as big as a Romulan d'deridex-Class. It is outfitted in the latest in stealth technology outside of a cloaking device, and carries multiple torpedo and phaser launchers. Intell agent T'vo Kolear, a Tellerite civilian advisor, determines that the ship is going to try to sneak into Federation territory and attack a key starbase which serves as an "anchor" for the supply shipments sent to the front lines ... the two Klingon BOPs tracking the Cardie provide the key to this information, and the Klingon Command agrees to have the BOPs continue to track the Cardie ...

c) DeSoto's squadron is ordered to intercept the Cardassian ship and defeat her. Unfortunatly, most of DeSoto's ships are either under repair, or performing other duties they can not be pulled from. The HOOD and the KING GEORGE V intercept the Battlecruiser ... DeSoto underestimates the Cardies' manuverability, and the HOOD is quickly in serious trouble: port nacelle gone, multiple hull breaches. A lucky Cardie torp breaches the hull and hits Main Engineering, causing a matter/anti matter mix ... and the HOOD is gone. The KING GEORGE and her Captain, Cmmdr. Hamza El'Fahir retreat, "survival being the operative word here," El'Fahir decides...

d) Commander Michelle Dasz is preparing to accept a new commander aboard the SOVEREIGN-CLASS SEGUR when she recieves word that she has been "frocked" to the grade of Captain. Her mission briefing is quick: the HOOD is gone, and as many ships as Starfleet can scramble to sink the behometh Cardie are being gathered. The SEGUR is the most powerful ship that Starfleet can muster, and she will lead the hunt. Meanwhile, Cmdr. El'Fahir has refused orders to return to base for repairs, insisting that honor demand he do his part to destroy the Cardie. Also, Cpt. (I'll use of the names you guys suggested), of the Royal Andorian Defense Force (is Royal a good word?) has been tasked by the joint-Commander to track the Behometh as well, as is another Andorian, the captain of the Galaxy-Class ARK ROYAL.

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The King George V should be an Akira class Battlecruiser. What could happen is the Cardie supership may go for the King George V first. Hood opts to take the opportunity to attack, but after several hits, she's in big trouble.

Keep in mind that during the actual battle between the Bismarck and the Hood, there was a second German ship in the battle, the Prinz Eugen. I would suggest tagging a Cardie Galor class or Keldon class cruiser to the supership.

Just a thought.

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Fabrux: Read the link I gave to Jeff. It has all the details of the Bismarck.

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My thinking is this: The Hood was considered the Pride and Joy of the British Navy, given that it was perhaps the largest ship in the fleet, and perhaps the only ship of its class. Either the Hood should become a bigger ship than the Sovereign, or perhaps the Sovereign class ship Segur should be a Galaxy or Nebula or something else. It was really a fleet of smaller battleships and cruisers that sunk the actual Bismarck.

In your story, the Hood is defined as the pride of Starfleet. But I think that honour goes to the Ent-E.

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Obviously, the reasons for why Starfleet's Hood and Great Britain's Hood being the Pride of the Fleet are different reasons. It could probably be argued that the Hood will be the only Sovereign-Class starship within the "sub" fleet (so to speak) of which DeSoto commands a detachment.

Now, I could make the Hood a Galaxy-Class starship, which is larger than the Sovereign-Class (as far as I know, anyway). But that might lose some of the impact, in that the Galaxy-Class is at least 10 years old at this point (anyone know for sure?) and the Sovereign-Class is fairly young off the production line -- and still in low enough numbers in service -- that the loss of just one will feel like so much more.

I don't know if you've read Star Trek: Gamma Quadrant or not, but Michelle Dasz and the Segur play a supporting role to Capt. Macy and the Tokyo. It's no coincidence that I'm featuring them in this story, it'll serve to flesh out some of the Segur's crew and the circumstances about how Dasz came to command the Segur ... and since this story will be posted to the ST:GQ website when it's finished ... argh, I'm off topic again.

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-Forum Member Who Shall Be Nameless. 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001

The Ajax was involved in the chase for the Graf Spee, not the Bismarck.

The Rodney (and the Nelson) were designed to be huge mega-death battleships, but were caught by the Versailles Treaty restrictions (i.e. too heavy). Rather than abandon their construction, the Navy ordered that they be 'shortened' - if you look at any pics you'll see a normally-proportioned ship from bow to superstructure, and very little aft of that. Weird ships to look at... Another useless fact: the Rodney bombarded the German positions on D-Day.

All right, class, history lesson over...
 

- Me, just now, pondering.

*endsentimentaldose*

Sorry, I read four seawar-books in a row during the summer, including the hunt for bismarck, gory stuff...

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His fall was not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.

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Self Destruct Sequence anyone?

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Here lies a toppled god,
His fall was not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.

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Here lies a toppled god,
His fall was not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.

-Tleilaxu Epigram
 

So I'm picky. So sue Me.

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