Ok, for my stellar cartography section I have Teran sector and Bajoran sector and as well as the systems in question, but I don't have much of anything else, so I was wondering if anybody knows other canon sector or system that I have to include.
Posted by Mr. Christopher (Member # 71) on :
Sector 001 Sector 3-0 Sector 3-1 Sector 23 Sector 39J Sector 401 Sector 1385 Sector 1607 Sector 2520 Sector 19658 Sector 21305 Sector 21503 Sector 21505 Sector 21947 Sector 37628
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I wonder what became of the Sternbach/Okuda effort to hammer out some sort of universally consistant sector labeling system.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
From what I heard last, it had been scaled down to creating a semi-plausible system of coordinates for use in Voyager (over which Rick had some control). Then again, I can't say I noticed any systematic features in the "grid" numbers mentioned in the episodes. Worse still, the word "grid" seemed to refer both to spatial coordinates and to Borg hierarchy sublevels.
As for the above sector-number list, I'd forget all about "sector 3-0" and simply call it "sector 30". The reference originally was verbal, so you cannot confirm the presence of a hyphen there...
Anybody with an Encyclopedia or a Chronology should be able to take on another hobby project - trying to figure out which of the above sectors are associated with which episode and location. Have fun! (I didn't - there's very little logic there in the end results)
My interest in this is not just to name all the sectors and system, but to develop a picture of what each sector and system look like base on visual displays on computers, visual reference on the main viewer, and comments through out the episode. I propose a group that would try to nail down some of these facts. I realize that at the wim of our favorite producers our findings would be periodically proven false, but I believe that the less common system will never be revisited, so we need not worry in this regard.
Any thoughts?
Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
I for one would love to be involved in the visual conceptualization of what a standard sector 'looks like'. and then adapting same o fit any given descibed sector. I assume we're talking about a 20 ly cube?
Insofar as 'mapping' near space-I don't know where I rad this, but one has to assume that the Federation is quite different that other Star entities. It doesn't have a border. It has an ever-expanding frontier. Engulfed within are various member stars, member star groups, neutrals, uncontacted systems (Prime Directive), hostile stars and systems/empires (each with a neutral zone) etc. In fact, giventhe early dates of contact with the Romulan and Klingon Empires, they must either be large "indentations" within the quasi-spherical Federation-explored space, or fully engulfed smaller sphericals. In the latter case, they would have the right to explore space and systems outside their own Empire as much as we do. Witness Organia-which was outside Klingon space, but about to be conquered by it.
The diagram would be 3d-isometric, symbol-technical. What details would or would not be shown-captioned? What colors should be utilized?Lots of room for ideas and arguments.
Cool challenge. Might be better if we used Director or Flash to enable the viewer to 'toggle-on/off' various details.
Am I thinking too big Bear?
If you ant a volunteer - you have one. This project could kick ass. And it would provide a change of pace from Starship Deck Plan design.
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
One thing that's bugged me has been the 20 ly sector size... I mean, why? It seems so... arbitrary. One would think in the good little metric world of Star Trek they'd be based on decimalized parsec spreads or something... While I'd be willing to suggest they could be a Vulcan concept or something where math might work in a different base and the distance light travels in the Earth's solar orbital period an irrelevant number, the very fact Earth is in Sector 001 indicates it's probably a human system.
Another thing: Might sector borders be based on degrees (or radians) around the galaxy, and thereby by ever-so-slightly non-cubic?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Not to mention that light-years are totally Earth-based. After all, what planet's "year" is it based on? Exactly...
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
Well the Parsec is earth-based too. I like the idea of a galactic-based parsec.
Posted by bear (Member # 124) on :
Keep in mind nailing down sectors and systems doesn't only mean distance calculations...
Ok, what we need than is some kind of galactic constant that can be used to reference the passage of time...right?
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
What about the revolution of (the outer arms of) the Milky Way galaxy itself as a measure of time? IIRC, it takes about 120 million years for it to turn around.
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
When the little am is on the three, and the big arm.....
Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
Ritten: Arrrggg!!! Thank you.
Bear: Re my suggestion; interested?
Posted by bear (Member # 124) on :
Definitely, where do you want to start? I might try to suggest that we keep the designs to simple charts at the moment, similar to those displayed in the ds9 tech manual, but I like to say there are always possibilities. I have done some charts in this manor, but they lack the detail I think we could achieve.
Posted by bear (Member # 124) on :
I tried building 3d grid interface in which the user would manipulate the galaxy, but it proved too time consuming. I think a stellar cartography similar to the one shown in Generations would probably be our best choice. We could build it using Macromedia Flash. Farther down the road it would be nice to develop a way to plot courses and calculate ETA based on different warp factors.
Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
Concur on using a "galactoc view" - possibly as the index- and use iso view for each sector. I'd use Macromedia Director instead of Flash myself - justas easy to do - and you can have Shockwave.
Could you come up with a "dummy" sector - so many stars at such and such coordinates - whattheir Types and (if any) systems are - plus any stellar features (such as nebulae).
We could start with Sector 001.
I havesome ideas regarding color schemes and layers. How do I post artwork to you?
We could sign up for a free webpage and just share the account.
[ June 26, 2001: Message edited by: bear ]
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
I've got that Okudan wallmap image for reference when you need it. There's also this, which I posted here...or in another thread. Whichever. If you're trialing with 001, you'll need that site.
Posted by bear (Member # 124) on :
Very Interesting...Shik Posted by bear (Member # 124) on :
Trek: give me a little time to nail down the grid.
Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
Bear & Shik:
Cool.
Don't forget, we need not only the primary stars within 001 - we may also need the red dwarves. We will make them on another layer - optional viewing. (Why include red dwarves? Wolf 359).
Are there any interesting astro phenomena within "our" sector?
Is Sol in the center of 001? Sure would make the math easier! Frankly, I don't know of any phenomena within 10 ly. (Although Trek may have mentioned some (Regula nebula? How far was it?).
Regarding using ly as a measurement; Starfleet is primarily run by those pesky hairless apes (us). Other species could easily utilize their own measurements by simple computer transposition. However, the urge to explore in the Federation seems to be most virulent within H. Sapiens - and he who makes the charts, decides on the units. So if we choose to employ a 3d grid system based on 20 ly - why not?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I don't think Sol is in the center of Sector 001. TBoBW seemed to suggest that, when the E-D entered Sector 001, they were also entering the Sol system at the same time. Also, IIRC this was after they had already been at Wolf 359, meaning that that star can't be in Sector 001. So, Sol is probably on the very edge of Sector 001, an edge that also corresponds to the alpha/beta quadrant border (it would be kind of silly for that to divide a sector, anyway).
Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
Noted and Logged.
But... but... but...
It would certainly be easier if Sol were in the center - we could use existing star coordinates.
(whine, snivel...)
Is there anything canon which categorically states that Sol is NOT at the center of 001?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Aside from what I just mentioned? I don't think so.
But you can still use real star coordinates. What has the orientation of the sector boundaries got to do w/ that?
Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
Present star catalogues utilize XYZ based upon Sol.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
It's better to use "galactic" coordinates. That way, your axes actually run parallel/perpendicular to the galactic plane, rather than at all funky angles.
Posted by Wes1701E (Member # 212) on :
