Bashir suprised) We’re approaching an interspacial anomally. Paris:Move over Julian,I know interspacial anomallies better than anyone.(banging at door, everyone turns around.) Cardassian:Sisko surrender your vessel or prepare to die. Take all of these scum to brig. Worf:No!(He takes out a bat’leth) Sisko:Worf don’t!(It’s to late Worf starts tearing through the Cardassians like loaves of bread.) Chakotay Disgusted)I think he’ll need a little help. Set your phazers to maximum.(Him, Tom, And B’Elanna run out after Worf.) Sisko:Bashir,O’brein you heard the man. Bashir and O’brein:Yes captain!(They go out to find Worf and the others) Sisko:Guess I’ll try to contact Voyager. Voyager, Voyager! Janeway:You rang. Sisko:We need your help the Cardassians are on the ship. Worf went out there slashing around with his little sword. Kathryn:Kim,Tuvok. Tuvok:It is illogical that we- Janeway:That’s an order. Tuvok sigh)Yes,Captain. Janeway:I’ll beam them to where Chakotay and the others are.(message ends)
Posted by Dr Phlox (Member # 680) on :
(on the Defiant) Worf:Why don’t we wait in the Jefferies tubes and then attack. Tuvok:Good plan commander. Worf on’t flatter me. (back at bridge) Sisko:Kathryn! Kathryn:Janeway. Sisko:We will try to land on your docking ports. Kathryn:You have authorization.(message end)Insign Williams acces docking ports.(she nods at Janeway.) Janeway:Benjamin Benjamin:Sisko. Kathryn:You are clear to use docking ports. (back in tubes.) Tuvok:Why don’t we meditate to pass the time. Worf:You Vulcans are so senile. Tuvok:That is an unethical thing to say. Chakotay:We have an estimated 347 Cardassians following us,this is not the time to argue. B’Elanna:Time! This is not the time, to argue about time, we don’t have the time. Paris:I think Neelix gave you to much to drink. B’Elanna:Remember, this phazer is set at maximum setting. Paris:I’ll take that into consideration. O’brein reading scanner)Sensors detect a gas leak down the next tube. Bashir:Hold you breath, I’ll treat you later. O’brein:What if you pass out. Chakotay:We’ll activate The Doctor. (Tuvok is behind everyone, something grabs him) Tuvok:A Cardassian is pulling me. (Everyone turns to see Harry Kim) Harry:What?! O’brein:Hold your breath we’re entering gas territory. (on bridge of Defiant) Sisko:Kathryn, can you scan our ship from the outside and count the Cardassians? Janeway:Neelix. Neelix:I’m still getting used to this,47. Janeway:Looks like Worf killed most of them, 47. Sisko:Can you check their health status? Kathryn octor Doctor:It seems that there is a gas leaking in the Jefferies tubes,reason unknown. Sisko:My crew is in there! Janeway:We’ll try to transport them onto the ship. Sisko:The Maquis,Kim, and Tuvok as well. (Sisko sends a message to Chakotay) Sisko:You are about to beam aboard- Neelix:A phazer has been fired in the Jefferies tubes!
Posted by Dr Phlox (Member # 680) on :
(in tubes) Paris:I’ve been shot! Worf:It’s a Cardassian! Chakotay:Chakotay to Sisko there’s a Cardassian at our rear. Sisko yelling)Energize!(energizing) (They are aboard Voyager) Janeway ’brein, you and B’Elanna go to engineering, Worf,Tuvok on tactical. Chakotay, take the bridge, Mr.Kim and I are going on a little stroll. Oh, and take Paris to sick bay.(Doctor and Bashir try to take Paris) Paris:I think I can manage. Kathryn:That’s an order,come on Harry.(they leave) Chakotay:Let’s see if we can get into slip stream. (out on the hull) Harry:I never been Cardassian hunting before. Janeway:There’s a first time for everything.(yelling behind them) Harry:It’s a Cardassian Army!(thousands of Cardassians come out of nowhere) Kathryn:Fire!( they fire their phazers) Cardassian:You will never beat us. Janeway: Krel! Cardassian: Me and my Army will shatter you! Harry:Who’s- Kathryn:Never mind, keep firing.(presses insignia) Chakotay we need you to beam us to the bridge,then raise the sheilds. Chakotay:Wh- Janeway: No questions asked.End transmission. Chakotay:You heard her.Energize.(Janeway appears) Kathryn:Move over Chakotay, I’ll take the bridge.(Chakotay moves over) Mr.Worf how many Cardassians are left on the ship. Worf:3,450 captain. Janeway:Status of life. Worf ead. Kathryn:Good, take the sheilds down now.
[ July 27, 2001: Message edited by: Dr Phlox ]
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I'll be honest. That has to be the worst thing I've ever read. It obviously has to be a joke, except that there's nothing funny in it.
I can't believe I actually read the entire thing. My brain hurts now...
Posted by Dr Phlox (Member # 680) on :
(back on Defiant) Sisko:Chakotay there are several Cardassians on my bridge beam me up. Doctor(serious)We’ve lost Sisko’s lifesigns. Voice:Hello. Chakotay:Sisko. Worf:Good to see you,captain. Tuvok:Sensors,detect Cardassians in engineering. Kathryn:More!How many? Tuvok:3-wait the number keeps rising. (back in engineering) B’Elanna:B’Elanna to Chakotay there are hundreds of Cardassians coming into Engineering.,we’ve lost five engineers,three are injured. Janeway:Transport them to sickbay (back in sick bay) Doctor:The Cardassians are injuring more people than we can cure. Bashir on’t worry,I’ve handled way more patients than this before. Doctor:That’s because thousands of people visit you each day. They just sent us some more, secondary EMH online. (back on bridge) Worf:Sensors detect a federation ship in orbit.(pauses)It’s the Defiant?! Chakotay:Shot the left warp nacelle.(they fire torpedes at ship) Tuvok:The Defiant is falling towards that nearby planet. Kathrryn:Move over Chakotay, I think Sisko can at least be second in command. Chakotay:I’ll go check what’s going on in engineering. Tuvok:A shuttle has just left docking ports. Sisko:Alien or human? Worf:Cardassian. Janeway:Self destruct it. Tuvok:We made need that- Kathryn:There will be plenty of shuttles when we get to the federation(with force),destroy it. Tuvok sighs)Yes,Captain.(the shuttle explodes) (back in engineering) Chakotay:What happened? B’Elanna:The Cardassians fled, must of left on a shuttle. Chakotay:What happened to O’brein?
Posted by Dr Phlox (Member # 680) on :
B’Elanna:He’s was injured in the attack, he’s in sick bay. Chakotay:Need help? B’Elanna:Get over and stop asking questions, I need to recalibrate the plasma coolant holders, they were tampered with during the attack. Chakotay:I’ll get more people to help. (back on bridge) Janeway:Have the Cardassians landed the Defiant. Worf:Yes, it seems that they are exploring the planet. Kathryn:Harry, orbit around the planet, Sisko you have the bridge,Tuvok get The Doctor for any injuries. We’re taking the Flyer.(door opens behind them) Paris:Your going to need a pilot. Kathryn:Tom, your suppose to be in sick bay. Tom:Let’s just say I healed. Janeway:Alright.(they walk out to the Delta Flyer) (back in engineering, O’brein walks in) O’brein:I heard you needed an engineer. B’Elanna:Get over here and help me recallibrate these things. O’brein:All you had to do was ask. Chakotay:Now that you have help,I’ll go back to the bridge.
Posted by Dr Phlox (Member # 680) on :
(on planet) Tuvok:Sensors detect, the Cardassians are somewhere in this area. Kathryn:Are they trying to fix the nacelle? Tuvok:Yuh- Doctor:You don’t need sensors to detect that, their over there.(everyone turns) Paris oesn’t look like they know much about warp mechanics. I could of- Doctor:Give us youre lecture on warp mechanics later, we’re in the middle of trying to apprehend the bad guys. Paris:EMH offline. Janeway:Tom. Tom:We don’t need him untill there’s an injury. Tuvok annoyed) Settle down(whispers)illogical humans. Paris:I heard that. (back at bridge,Chakotay walks in) Chakotay:Where’s Kathryn? Sisko:Her,Paris, and Tuvok went out to get the bad guys. Chakotay:How did they get there? Harry:Took the Flyer. Chakotay:Guess I’ll check sick bay. (on planet) Tuvok:They’re leaving the Defiant. Paris:I’m going in.(he walks out of bushes) Kathryn:Tom Don- (Cardassians start coming out of nowhere) Paris:I’ve been shot. Tuvok whispering so Cardassians don’t hear)Tuvok to flyer,access EMH and transport Tom. (on Flyer) Doctor:State the nature of your-(turns around to see Paris)Oh it’s you,what do you want. Paris:I’m sorry about earlier, I’ve been injured. Doctor takes out tool and injects Paris) There better? Paris:Yeah,I should go back to the front.(gets up) Doctor holds him back)Now, Now. You’ve already been shot twice today, you should stay here.(Paris thinks than sits back down)
Posted by Dr Phlox (Member # 680) on :
(back at front) Janeway:We have to find a way to get to the Defiant. Tuvok:We could ambush them,like Worf did. Kathryn:That’s not very logical. Tuvok:Now is not the time for logic.Why don’t we acces The Doctor and have him pilot the Defiant. Janeway:That’s a good plan, now all we have to do is do it.(presses insignia) Defiant Paris:Yes Captain. Kathryn:Access, the Doctor and have him pilot the Defiant to safety.(message ends) Doctor:My program is not equipped with piloting technique. Paris presses a couple of buttons)It’s just been added. Doctor:I hate being a hologram.(He fades away then is aboard Defiant) Doctor he turns to see control panel)Now let’s see how this thing works.(he goes over to controls,and lifts the ship off the ground.) Tuvok:There’s a Cardassian hanging onto the warp nacelle. Janeway:Shot him.(Phazer fires and Cardassian falls off) Kathryn:Tom,beam us to Voyager you take the Flyer back. Paris:At your command. Tuvok:Energize. (aboard Voyager) Janeway:Hello. Sisko:Kathryn?! Kathryn:Move over and show us how to-(something fires at the hull) Worf:More Cardassian ships! Sisko:Worf, get the others and met me on the Defiant.(Worf walks out) Kathryn we’ll give you all the we can. Janeway:No, go you barely have a ship. No warp nacelle. Who knows about your weapons. Sisko:Bu- Kathryn:But, nothing. We’ve taken on the Borg and many other species. The Cardassians are nothing compared to them. Worf over com)Captain you were suppose to meet us minutes ago. We’ll beam you up at your command. Sisko takes one final look around)Energize.(fades away) Worf:Hello, Captain we have torpedoes ready at your command. Sisko:We’re not fighting. Worf:Wha- Sisko:Get ready for slip stream,Mr.Worf. Worf confused)Ready. Sisko looks down to think)(sadly)Engage
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
You used that script from school??? David, you have a lot to learn about this forum. To Dr. Phlox: That is the script you used from school, right? My God...
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Ummm...
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Zero Wing II!
Posted by Nimrod (Member # 205) on :
"Worf starts tearing through the Cardassians like loaves of bread" This is terrible! Even for me! And Chakotay follows him, with phaser set to maximum??? They'll never eat kebab again!
And Sisko says: "Worf, don't!" He sounds more dissapointed than alarmed. Like, "Oh no, just like last year's christmas party!!!"
[ July 28, 2001: Message edited by: Nimrod ]
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Okay, I'll give this a shot at a real honest-to-goodness critique. This won't exactly be easy, though. This story needs A LOT of work. Seriously, dude, it does.
First, the characterizations are way off of the actual characters. Janeway wouldn't flagrantly bump Chakotay out of his executive officer position to make room for Sisko. Likewise, I don't think Janeway would put Sisko in command of the bridge as she leaves in the Flyer. If this were to happen, Chakotay would not simply say "I'll be in engineering" as his captain dumped him for Sisko. Tuvok would not sigh or argue with Janeway over every little decision that Janeway makes. And B'Elanna would not simply allow O'Brien to just jump into messing with her engines. We know how touchy she is about those engines. Worf also would not disobey Sisko's order in order to go galavanting around the ships slashing Cardassians. In short, you need to study the characters you're writing about a lot more before you actually begin writing about them.
Second, there are some discrepencies between the series and this story. Torpedoes would not be launched by Tom Paris from the flight control station. That would be Tuvok at the tactical station. The Defiant, to the best that we know, cannot land on planet surfaces. From DS9's "Meridian," we know that the Defiant can crash on a planet. However, this is best a discussion for the Starships forum. It's also doubtful that a Defiant class starship lends itself easily to being modified for slipstream travel. The Defiant is a hardcore warship with tried and true systems. No jury-rigging allowed except under the most unusual circumstances. Also, why would Chakotay and the other Maquis on Voyager know about the Defiant? Tom Riker and a small band of his comrads did steal the Defiant once, but that was just them and not the entire Maquis. This leads to another characterization issue: Sisko has a severe dislike for the Maquis and I doubt he would specifically request that the Maquis could fight with him.
Third, the story itself is confusing and contrary to itself at times. For starters, what was the Defiant doing with slipstream technology? How did she get the technology? Why were the Cardassians chasing her and how did they get into slipstream? There was absolutely no exposition. Next, how did Worf manage to kill 300 Cardassians in a short amount of time? Worf could in no way handle that many opponents even if they attacked one-at-a-time from a single-file line. He'd be exhausted swinging that bat'leth to slash them let alone with the Cardassian fighting back. And one most realize that Worf is using a sword-like instrument against plasma-weapon carrying Cardassians. It didn't work for the Klingons in "Way of the Warrior." The entire middle section is confusing as to which ship the action is taking place on. You gave indications that things were happening on the Defiant under to have someone been to the other side and start that section with "aboard the Defiant." Add to that, there was a lot of unnecessary and unsatisfying attempts at building suspense. A prime example is in the beginning. No one can find O'Brien and then he magically turns up in the Voyager's engine room. Was he who he really was? As it turns out, yeah actually. Another scene is the "I can't find the ship" from the middle section. Where did the Defiant go? Oh, she landed on a planet nearby. There is little reason to use these dramatic ploys when there is no development on them.
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
My friend David (the real name of Dr. Phlox) doesn't know enough about Star Trek to write a script about it. I'm soory, Dr., but that is the truth. You've only seen a few DS9 eps, and you're using things you've seen from Voyager eps as a story. Maybe you should try to tape a few of the good episodes, to get a better understanding of the series. Of course, Dr. Phlox thinks he is always right the first time, and he'll most likely say "Screw you, it's good." He doesn't like being told something he made needs work. (Sorry, David, it's the truth.)
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Well, then, if Dr Phlox isn't already at the age to be thrust into the so-called "real world," then he's in for a surprise. Everything anyone does will be open to criticism from others. Most of the time, it will hopefully be helpful constructive criticism that will deserve a better response than "Screw you, who asked you anyway?"
Not accepting any sort of criticism defeats the purpose of posting it here. Flarers post their ideas, stories, and designs here in order to gauge the reaction and listen to the comments that people make about their work. Almost all of the time, those criticisms are positive and serve to improve the work. How else does one expect to get better if one does not listen to one's critics?
Posted by Dr Phlox (Member # 680) on :
I'll take any advice you have? And to you mister Veers for telling them my weaknesses.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Okay, here's my most important piece of advise: get a feeling for the characters that you are writing about. If the characters you are writing about are your own creation, then you pretty have free reign with them so far as the actions they perform are not a sudden afront to the readers. In this case, you're writing on characters that were created and developed by someone else. So, you have to try to stay true to those people have in mind for their creations. This is a really tough thing to do unless you have massive writing experience under your belt. Sometimes you can be tempted to have a character act in a way you would or would want him/her to act that goes contrary to every established for them.
Let's use Worf as an example. He's a tradition Klingon who places importance on honor and expects all other Klingons to follow suit. He has low regard for anyone (Klingons or not) who act in dishonorable ways. This resulted in him killing Duras after Duras killed his mate and took his family's honor (TNG's "Sins of the Father" and "Emissary" and "Redemption"). He believes very strongly in the traditional Klingon upbringing and customs that surround his culture. He has oftentimes felt disconnected from his people by having grown up with humans and having his family killed early in his life. This might account for his determination to force himself to adhere to Klingon culture so much. When it comes to his son Alexander, though, he doesn't force him into the Klingon routine. In fact, in an almost human attitude, he lets Alexander choose his own path (although it took the latter seasons of TNG for him to accept this). He values loyalty highly and will remain supportive of his commanding officer, even at times when the orders run contrary to what he feels is right.
This is just the tip of the iceburg for Worf, but you can see that there is a lot more to him than being a warrior. The massive backstory that has been developed for him needs to be taken into account when writing for him. And there are backstories for all of the characters you were writing about. Some are more developed than others, but you can see the direction I'm going, right? I know it'll be impossible to completely catch up on 15 years of modern Trek to write for the characters, but watching a moderate amount of episodes will help you realize the bare minimum of these characters' personalities. It might also be helpful to search for Trek websites that include character biographies so that you can see a list of events in their lives and what effect that they might have had on them. I think StarTrek.com has a bio section somewhere.
Characterization, aside from the plot, is the most important thing to follow through on. Technological snafus and things of that nature are easily forgivable in Star Trek, having flat characters or characters acting in ways that aren't normal for them will cause unrest with the readers. One of the biggest complaints about Voyager was the lack of development for some of the secondary characters and the sometimes schizophrenic nature of Janeway's command decisions. This tended to bug the fans more than the fact that Voyager's hull was always shiney and new-looking.
Posted by akb1979 (Member # 557) on :
Just to support the guy who wrote all this stuff - we all have to start somewhere, so keep writing as you can only get better with time, effort and practice - look at me, I've been at this for over ten years and still haven't got my first page of my novel written. I keep starting over as I think of new things and new approaches. It's difficult at time and depressing when you think it is a hopeless cause, but constructive criticism from friends and family have helped me along my way. It should be noted that my writing is a hobby and my education has taken priority and first place.
Keep going bubba, you'll make it in the end.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong but on the MSD pic in the back of my DS9 tech manual, doesn't the Defiant have landing pads? If so, why can't a small ship like that land on a planet like Voyager? Or at the very least as small planetary body such as an asteroid moon . . . say, what about the time where the Defiant crashed on a planet and wnet back in time - did it crash or did they manage to land the ship?
Posted by Dr Phlox (Member # 680) on :
Does anyone now where I can get some DS9 episodes and early Voyager. I got the DS9 Companion and the Encyclopedia and neither has seemed to have helped. I guess I need to actually see it. Thanks for the back up akb1979. Could somebody lock the Scott Bakula thing? Just a thought.
[ July 28, 2001: Message edited by: Dr Phlox ]
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
akb1979: The master situation diagram in the back of the DS9 tech manual does show some landing struts. However, the implication has always been that they were for the Defiant to land on small asteroids and such with very low gravity and little atmosphere and for landing in starbase hanger bays.
In my mind, it doesn't seem rational for the Defiant to be able to land on a planet. Sure, she may be small enough to do so, but I don't the think the over all design of her lends her to planetary landings. I really wouldn't see it a need for a warship. A troop transport and planetary explorer certainly would benefit as would the saucer sections on separable ships. That's why I give if I assume the Defiant has landing struts then I don't assume it's capable of planetary landing.
The DS9 episode we're all thinking about is "Children of Time" from either the 4th or 5th season. The plot is that when exploring a planet, the Defiant crew encounters their descendants. At this point in the time, the Defiant is supposed to hit a temporal atmospheric anomaly thing and be transported back in time about 200 years where the ship crashes on the planet. The Defiant was said to have crashed because the survivors and descendants used the bulk of the wrecked Defiant to build their homes and stuff.
Dr Phlox: By all means, keep writing and posting your work here. Practice makes perfect and critism is helpful. I've been writing Trek short stories and epics and parodies for many years now. I'm not going to post a lot of the earlier stuff because I don't want to subject anyone to my epic of myself and my high school buddies stealing a Galaxy-class starship to rescue our friends who were on their way to a inter-Federation high school convention/conference/competition. Bare in mind, this relied on a select few of the characters becoming one with Wesley Crusher. Yeah, that story is safely locked away where it will no longer harm anyone.
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
I'm afraid none are really on tape, unless you get a DVD of the season or something. For now, read the Companion synopsises and go to Star Trek.Com for details. Or, watch UPN and tape some of them with an old tape (they are cheap, I tell ya). Here, though, they don't show DS9!
Posted by Dr Phlox (Member # 680) on :
Here in Wisconsin you have to go to Madison.
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
Um...go to Madison for what? Blank Tapes?
Posted by Jeff The Card (Member # 411) on :
I knew a girl named Madison once. She wore black makeup, and she liked leather gloves when we were ... um, nevermind.
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
Madison, as in the capital of the Dairy State Dr. Phlox and I live in. They have diiferent stations there, so I guess they would show DS9 every day.
Posted by akb1979 (Member # 557) on :
Siegfried: What you've said makes sense. However, I'd like to take another look at the troop deployment aspect. What if there is atmospheric interference that blocks the transporters or even transporter dampers? If the Defiant were carrying troops, then it would need to land to deploy them. Just a thought and other than that I agree with you.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
akb1979: Well, any ship that would be responsible for troop deployment would need some sort of backup system in the event that transporters are down or that transporter inhibitors are present. This would be landing the ship or using auxiliary craft to deploy the troops. The Galaxy, Nebula, and Akira classes would make reasonable troop carriers since they are well-armed and apparently possess the capability to launch a large number of shuttles. However, I'd be willing to bet that Starfleet has transports already dedicated to this purpose. What was it, a Deneva or Istanbul class that was carrying 400 colonists when it struck a gravitic mine?
Going back to the Defiant, whether or not she could land on a planet surface really depends on whether one of the purposes she was built for was troop deployment. I don't think she was built for it. Her normal crew complement is around 50, and to fit them in requires the crew (except for senior officers) to share quarters. This ship only has four full decks, and a lot of room is taken up for the engineering and weapons systems. Add in the possibility of maybe 25 to 30 crew quarters, a shuttle bay, the bridge, mess hall, etc. you don't have any room left over for housing troops only they're carrying a squad of maybe 10. And ten troops isn't a heck of a lot to do anything important.
Anyway, that's why I think that the Defiant isn't capable of landing on planets. She's first and foremost a deadly warship. More of her interior is taken up by weapons systems and engineering and operations than for crew quarters. She simply doesn't have the internal volume to house a temporary troop contingent. And if she doesn't have the capacity for deploying troops, then she really doesn't absolutely need the ability to land on planets.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
A Yorkshire. The Denver, to be precise.
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
And, your point is? It can hold a lot of people?
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Thanks, Shik. My encyclopedia is packed away right now.
And, yes, the Yorkshire-class Denver is capable of transporting a large number of people. If I recall, the Denver was carrying about 400 colonists to settle it (or was it a terraforming mission? I can't remember). She struck a gravitic mine and the Enterprise had to go rescue the survivors. This was "Ethics," and it was the same episode where Worf snapped his spinal cord and screwball doctor with no ethics comes on board and saves him with experimental technology.
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
One of them Istanbul class ships were holding 2,000 people, if I can recall.