Looks more post TNG to me. It needs to be less of a pre Galaxy and more of a post Excelsior.
Bashir
Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
that REALLY looks post TNG to me. nice design though, regardless of time frame.
--jacob
Posted by Niytaan (Member # 820) on :
It looks like both Pre- and Post-TNG to me. It could be an experimental testbed prototype for technologies that took Starfleet engineers a few decades to perfect.
Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
On one hand, it looks like the ship belongs to the Ambassador Class family... on the other it looks like it belongs to the Galaxy Class family... seems that this ship can go either way to me.
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
IT VIoLIAT3S CANN0N! TEH DESING LINNEIGE SI ALL WROGN!
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I like everything about the design except the Bussard Collectors. I don't like the bottom angling up like that for some reason. Or, if the bottom's going to angle up, the top should angle down at the same degree.
I would also outline the Collector, the Impulse Engine and the Shuttle Bay with the same stroke as you've outlined all the other structural details with. I know you're trying to make the red parts look transluscent, but with all the thick lines, it sort of looks like you forgot to outline those things. If you're trying to make those parts look glassy, maybe try adding a hot spot reflection or something.
Other than that, I think the design really rocks. I like the windows Posted by Lobo (Member # 669) on :
Thanks for your commens.
here is an updated version:
Lobo
Posted by Toadkiller (Member # 425) on :
Hmmm - to silence the post-TNG crowd, maybe a version with phaser banks vice strips?
I like it though.
Posted by Nim Pim (Member # 205) on :
Um, what did you update? And god fuck damnit that's a nice ship, finally a real heavy duty ship to put between the Excelsior and the Sovereign. What color is the deflector dish?
Posted by Lobo (Member # 669) on :
quote:Originally posted by Nim Pim: Um, what did you update? And god fuck damnit that's a nice ship, finally a real heavy duty ship to put between the Excelsior and the Sovereign. What color is the deflector dish?
Look at the nacceles
quote: What color is the deflector dish?
Hmmm maybe Red/Blue E-D like deflector dish.
[ May 14, 2002, 09:55: Message edited by: Lobo ]
Posted by Lobo (Member # 669) on :
quote:Originally posted by Nim Pim: Um, what did you update? And god fuck damnit that's a nice ship, finally a real heavy duty ship to put between the Excelsior and the Sovereign. What color is the deflector dish?
Look at the nacceles What color is the deflector dish? Hmmm maybe Red/Blue E-D like deflector dish.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I love it when people blindly follow my advice.
BWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
No, it looks good. I like the Bussards better now. I wonder though...I liked the "top half only" thing you had going with the yellow are right behind the Bussards. What would happen if you did that with this nacelle design? Just have the yellow circle dealies on the top half instead of all the way around.
Just a thought. Looks good!
Posted by Lobo (Member # 669) on :
And an another little update:
quote:I love it when people blindly follow my advice.
Hey an guy who made so cool star wars illustrations is my master:D here the "aban rune special edition"
lObO
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
Suffice to say, I'm really really impressed.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
*holds fingers to lips*
MWAAA! Perfecto!
Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
that ship looks EXTREMELY great, but i am still having trouble placing it in the ship continuum. between ambassador and galaxy would probably work. did i mention that the ships looks EXTREMELY great? impressive, impressive work. are there any other views we could see?
--jacob
Posted by Lobo (Member # 669) on :
Thanks! Soon! I will first finish this view.
Lobo
Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
Hey now, come on, Lobo! You want to FINISH that view? What's there to finish. Honestly, that one is perfect! Great work!!
Posted by The Defiant (Member # 818) on :
(I need to stop posting)
This would make a good Ambassodor upgrade (I don't belive that the Yamaguchi is a refit/upgrade). Well. It's beyond me...
Posted by Lobo (Member # 669) on :
Hi. And here is the top view:
Lobo
Posted by Lobo (Member # 669) on :
Hi Here is a 3 side view of the ship:
Lobo
Posted by Lobo (Member # 669) on :
Here an detailed front view: Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Good god that's a nifty ship.
Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :
Nifty indeed...
Posted by Lobo (Member # 669) on :
Thanks. Now we need a good name for the ship. Any suggestions?
[ June 02, 2002, 08:18: Message edited by: Lobo ]
Posted by Toadkiller (Member # 425) on :
Is it pre-ambassador?
Maybe USS Explorer - like the HMS Dreadnought lending its name to a new "type" of ship...
Cool design.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
IIRC, there have only been two real instances where a name of a ship has given rise to a type of ship that is what the original named ship is. 1. USS Monitor 2. HMS Dreadnaught
Posted by Toadkiller (Member # 425) on :
I know.
Big ships in TNG era are "explorer's" a USS Explorer would give us a (fairly cool IMHO) reason for this.
Just an idea.
Posted by The Defiant (Member # 818) on :
(I'm back online again!!! Whoohoo!!!!)
Adriatic Class - if you want a class name USS Roddenberry USS Saratoga USS (Insert some inpronounceable Vulcan junk) Andbasically anything from DITL's Federation Class names.
Posted by Snay (Member # 411) on :
quote:(I'm back online again!!! Whoohoo!!!!)
No one cares that you're back online, Alex. And its stupid pronouncements like that that clue everyone in that you are, in fact, MIB aka Flower Man aka Defiant.
How hard is to keep a low profile? Not very. But you always insist on announcing yourself. Learn from your mistakes already.
[ June 03, 2002, 06:35: Message edited by: Snay ]
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
Snay, stop being such a fucking prick. If that is MIB, its CC who will be dispensing his dessert, not you. I'm getting a little sick of reading you bashing another board member over and over.
Posted by The Defiant (Member # 818) on :
Thanx, CapMike. And despite what Snay says about me, I am not MIB or Flower Man. If I was MIB, Charles would be sending me more private messages.
Anyway...
How big is the ship, Lobo, because you might want to lower the number of lifeboats if it is a smaller vessel or if it is a pre-Galaxy. Too many of them make it look kinda dirty and ruin the 'feel' of the ship. Sorta.
(PS: If your wondering why I'm back, I found these 'Internet Passes' for about 20 bucks scrounged away behind a plant. So I pay 20 bucks and I'm online all I want. )
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
I also agree with Mike on this one was well. Snay, lay off Defiant by saying he's MIB. Really Charles does monitor these boards frequently and if he really believed Defiant is MIB or someone very very similar, Defiant would have been gone already. You can voice your opinions over to Charles, but I really don't think you need blab it out to the board over and over and sound like you're bashing Defiant. BTW, Snay, everyone already knows you think Defiant is MIB, including Charles. And it appears you're the only person who believes Defiant is MIB. It's possible others may share your belief as well, but at least they're not saying it over and over and they're not bashing Defiant because of that belief.
Now returning to the topic, I really don't think Saratoga should be used if it's pre-Galaxy and we stick to canon info. After all, NCC-31911 was in service up until Wolf 359. Although you could say it came between NCC-1867 and NCC-31911, it would be unusual for a name to go from a Miranda to a pre-Galaxy/post-Ambassador(?) back to a Miranda.
[ June 03, 2002, 09:55: Message edited by: Dat ]
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
I've PMed CC about this, because youve already been asked to stop by Sol System, and this is hardly fair to Lobo's thread.
Lobo, can this ship separate? I'd love to see the stardrive section's top if you thought it was viable...
[ June 03, 2002, 10:03: Message edited by: CaptainMike ]
Posted by The Defiant (Member # 818) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dat: Now returning to the topic, I really don't think Saratoga should be used if it's pre-Galaxy and we stick to canon info. After all, NCC-31911 was in service up until Wolf 359. Although you could say it came between NCC-1867 and NCC-31911, it would be unusual for a name to go from a Miranda to a pre-Galaxy/post-Ambassador(?) back to a Miranda.
Your right. I forgot about the Saratoga at Wolf 359. Sorry.
What about the Liberator? That shuttle at Wolf 359 has a registry to fit a post Ambassador or pre-Galaxy and the ship looks chronologically (sp.?) correct.
Posted by Lobo (Member # 669) on :
quote:I've PMed CC about this, because youve already been asked to stop by Sol System, and this is hardly fair to Lobo's thread.
Thanks Capitano Mike;) A little bit off topic is ok:)
quote:Lobo, can this ship separate? I'd love to see the stardrive section's top if you thought it was viable...
Hmm still not but an good idea.
quote:How big is the ship, Lobo, because you might want to lower the number of lifeboats if it is a smaller vessel or if it is a pre-Galaxy. Too many of them make it look kinda dirty and ruin the 'feel' of the ship. Sorta.
Hmm good question... I will "measure" it.
So. Here is the begin of an MSD (its not finished!) I hope the colores are right for the pre/TNg era. Any commens? Feel free and post here(on-topic:))
Lobo
Posted by The Defiant (Member # 818) on :
Yeah, that looks about right.
Is it too late to say that it needs a bigger deflector dish? Because the Ambassadors and Galaxies had large ones, it would look more chronologically correct. Unless... An NX-xxxxx registry. But it don't really matter.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
Swiss911. Use it. Don't use TNG Monitors, it's the font that killed my son.
Posted by The Ulcer Mongoose (Member # 239) on :
And give it a class name too. Now. Or I will be the one who kills your son. Also, because Pre-TNG doesn't sound too cool.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Some suggestions:
Kidman Class, U.S.S. Cruise Willis Class, U.S.S. Moore Heche Class, U.S.S. DeGeneris Brinkley Class, U.S.S. Joel
Oh wait... you said the ship can't seperate, right?
Posted by The Defiant (Member # 818) on :
I still say Liberator. My reasons are in an above post.
Posted by Lobo (Member # 669) on :
Ok update. And thanks again Mike.
Lobo
Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
Personally I love this ship. I would like for someone to make this ship 3D.
Reminds me of an attempt that I did two years ago to look like an Ambassador class major reft. Like the TOS to the Movie style Connies.
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
Aye, 'tis a lovely ship.
And, interestingly enough, you already have the design work done for a later refit, since the first pic of this thread looks like a little pre-TNG with some post-TNG engines and such. :-)
The only thing I see that might need addressing is the MSD-style cutaway. Looking at the outside of the ship, it looks like the saucer's widest point should be deck seven, with the forward dorsal phaser array located in between decks four and five. This I conclude simply from checking out the window positions.
This would also make deck two sort of funny, in that much of the deck area would be knee-high, where the saucer begins.
The MSD, however, shows decks eight and part of nine comprising the widest points of the saucer, with phaser array elements firmly planted on deck five. But, this also renders most of deck nine (which, in the MSD, would be the deck with the most area) a half-deck.
I've taken the liberty of marking up one of your lovely pictures to help illustrate the situation. Forgive me! :-)
Bear in mind that my mark-job isn't perfect in the Engineering section, especially. Also, I used a line that was a bit too thick for the purposes. Finally, I made the image twice as large so I could write on it visibly.
Last but not least, I would *guesstimate* her height to be in the 75 meter range (height of the Constitutions). Bear in mind, though, that I also counted around 19 decks, which using Bernd's figure of 3.5 meters for average starship deck height, would yield a figure of about 67 meters (roughly the same as Voyager).
Using the 75 meters height figure, the three-view shot would suggest a length of 382 meters and a width of 218.5 meters.
Using the 67 meter height figure, the three-view shot would suggest a length of 341 meters (three meters shorter than Voyager) and a width of 195 meters (about 50 meters wider than Voyager, due to Voyager's slender shape).
Anyway, I'll shut up now. I just want to say, though, that I very much like the ship. She looks a helluva lot better than some of those silly ships from First Contact, that's for sure! :-)
[ June 05, 2002, 00:51: Message edited by: Guardian 2000 ]
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
It's getting quite scary, the way these diags just keep getting better. Beware the Dark Side, young Lobo, for it will corrupt you. 8)
Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
Ok, so it would be like a minature Ambassador class then?
Posted by Lobo (Member # 669) on :
And here is an first pic of the bridge layout:
Lobo
Posted by The BWC (Member # 818) on :
That's nice, but not if it's a bigger ship. So I ask again: What size is the ship?
Posted by Lobo (Member # 669) on :
Posted by The BWC (Member # 818) on :
Bigger. More consoles. Really Isolated Captain chaie with flip out console al TNG season 1.
Posted by Lobo (Member # 669) on :
[ June 20, 2002, 13:41: Message edited by: Lobo ]
Posted by Snay (Member # 411) on :
It's a great layout, don't listen to Bum Wah Cah.
Posted by The BWC (Member # 818) on :
Do a combination of the Ambassador and Galaxy. Have the basic layout the same as the Ambassador, but with that forward console behind the captain. You might want to add those servide computer things on the Galaxy (the ones there on the sides of the bridge, where the put an extra console on the D in Generations)
Posted by The BWC (Member # 818) on :
On the MSD you might want to make it a little more green-blue ish (see Nebula Class bridge in Redemption) to make it fit in with the era.
EDIT: Oops, I hit Reply instead of Edit. Sorry
[ June 08, 2002, 07:49: Message edited by: The BWC ]
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
The funny thing is, the reply and edit links are nowhere near each other. Posted by Lobo (Member # 669) on :
Hi. here are "3d-sketches" of the bridge:
Commens? Lobo
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
The centre section seems a bit sparse. Although I'm at a loss as to what you're missing that you could put in there.
Posted by COlson (Member # 827) on :
The ship and bridge pictures look incredible! Maybe what the center section needs is one or two Seven of Nine-esque terminals along the rail behind the captain (you know, the one right behind the CO and XO on the Intrepid Class). One right in the center or if two, one over both of the captain's shoulders?
And now, I'll go cower in a corner and await the newbie flaming that will most certainly come...
[ June 16, 2002, 21:10: Message edited by: COlson ]
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
You are of a quality like tasteless Armani knockoff 3 button dinner jackets, whilst your odor is certainly not what one would expect of a man of your stature.
Posted by Snay (Member # 411) on :
It's really nice, but I'd suggest something along the side walls ... just the small size of the bridge suggests something more along the Defiant -- stations across the bridge) rather then the Enterprise (lots of pacing space, and cool decorations on the wall).
I'd also suggest possibly raising the roof ... the short height also suggests a more focused bridge kin to the Defiant then a big living room.
Posted by Nim Pim (Member # 205) on :
Is that a hut-like dorsal torpedo bunker between the nacelles, like the round, rotating launchers of DS9? The plumbing on the schematic seems to say so, but the dorsal view only shows a white dot. It would be a good placement...
Posted by akb1979 (Member # 557) on :
Lobo, I hate you!
Only joking!
First we get the pics, then the deck plans, then the cutaways, then the bridge diagram and now we get 3D images!!!!!
Damn I am soooooooooooooo jealous of you Lobo and all you other people who can do this kinda stuff - I just don't know where to begin - any suggestions.
And now my ranting and raving is over I'd just like to say: WOW LOBO!! MORE! GIVE ME MORE OF THIS EXCELLENT WORK!!!!
HEHE!
Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
I suggest put a console on each side of the railing. Or get rid of the railing and make the railing the consoles themselves.
Posted by The BWC (Member # 818) on :
Or split the aft consoles between the sides, with the added console in front, and make the back a MSD, and turn the back of the railing a console like Matrix said.
Posted by Lobo (Member # 669) on :
A little update. Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Augh! I can't believe I've been missing all this bridge stuff!
I like the overall design - while I'm no fan of asymetrical bridge designs, yours has good dispersement of some of the stations.
Good addition of the console behind the CO chair. Personally, I'd move it to the side of the CO chair and mirror it with another one on the other side. I would also drop the forward consoles down at least one step - having them on the same level as the CO chair obscures the Captain's view, plus it negates the whole "pit" idea you've got as a result. Why have the consoles on a pedestal, then haev a step DOWN to a level that no one uses? They do this on the Ambassador and the Sovereign bridges, which personally really annoys me.
But on the whole, I like the direction you're shooting for. Keep it up! You even got me sketching another couple bridge designs due to your inspiration.
Mark
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I like the layout, but I'm thinking I would do something a little groovier with that station off to the side. Especially the console. The side stations on Voyager are really cool.
Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
that ship just kicks 7074L 455! what are you doing sitting around here, Lobo?!? you should be working at paramount or something doing this for a living. kick ass, dude, kick ass.
Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
Make the side console a bit bigger, having it surround the chair, instead of having just be a chair and small console off to the side.
Posted by Lobo (Member # 669) on :
Hi Thanks! Here is an little update and a fly araound the bridge video(divx5 codec).
But to be honest, I preferred the smaller console to the larger one you now have behind the CO chair. It fits more with the sizes of the other consoles, and gives people standing on the bridge more to hang on to.
Another suggestion would be to set apart the command chair area from everything else on that level, either by placing it on its own step up from the level it's already on, or even by simply changing the color of the carpet in that area. To me, the chair seems to get lost in the clutter of the railing and console.
Edit - what do each of the stations do, anyway? And where do the various doors go to?
Mark
[ June 21, 2002, 15:15: Message edited by: Mark Nguyen ]
Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
Make the back console smaller, then you're ok by me.
Afterwards, what to do with the ship?
Posted by Lobo (Member # 669) on :
Update: Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
So with so much attention to detail, what are you going to do with the ship? Are you going to make a site featuring it and others you have made? Or are you just going to let it rot in yout CPU after awhile?
Posted by Lobo (Member # 669) on :
Hmm it will spent his life on my hard disk. Or has anyone an good idea what i can do with the ship?
Lobo
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I would suggest asking Bernd. He's probably got a place or two you can put it among his sites.
Now, how about those station listings..?
Mark
Posted by Lobo (Member # 669) on :
2 vers. Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Nice. Notes:
-I'd leave the tactical station off to the side, where it's analogous to the tactical console on the E-Refit. The console behind the CO chair could be a Mission Ops station, manned only when necessary (a la Seven or XO).
-Conn and Helm are the same thing in the TNG era. Prior to that, it was Helm and Nav, used as recently as 2354 ( the Stargazer had that configuration). If you want your ship to be before that time, it should be helm and nav.
-Also, ships of that size rarely had more than one science station. Suggest swapping out one of them for an environment console.
-'Science'.
'Actually - I suppose what the consoles did is contingent on what era it is, and what the ship's primary mission is supposed to be. I would suggest two configurations for the bridge, depending on when you have it. So starting at the forward station to the captain's left and going around the circle, it'd be something like:
Pre-TNG: Helm, Nav, Tac, Eng, Env, Sci; behind the CO would be M. Ops, or alternately not even there. TNG onwards: Ops, Conn, Sci, Eng, Env, M. Ops; behind the CO would be Tactical.
That way, you give the science guys the larger station later on to reflect Starfleet's greater scientific interests in the 2360s onwards, while relocating tactical to where it is traditionally put on starships of that time.
Edit - I also just realized that there's no MSD on the bridge. Every ship has some form of this somewhere, from the little silhouette panel on the E-nil and E-D to the massive displays on Voyager and the E-E. Any ideas?
Mark
[ June 22, 2002, 18:45: Message edited by: Mark Nguyen ]
Posted by Lobo (Member # 669) on :
Hmmm the bridge has an MSD:
[ June 22, 2002, 18:47: Message edited by: Lobo ]
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Ahh, my bad.
Mark
Posted by The BWC (Member # 818) on :
1. Can I use them on my website? (I would credit you and all that)
2. Are teir any histoies and stuff related to it? If not, can I write one?
Thanks.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
What's in the sealed off area on the port side of the bridge? Also your bridge "set" has the MSD in the center of the aft stations, yet you mark that as a Science station. It really would be better suited as the Engineering station. And if it is suppose to be the Engineering station, remove the Science II graphic. On the port-aft station, you have a Security/Tactical graphic. Hell, the starboard-aft station has the same graphic (seems to me you fully labeled that station as the Sec/Tac station). Better remove them since they're suppose to be different stations. And when putting in the graphics, make sure the text is not backwards. Finally, if you're gonna establish it as pre-TNG, better to use movie-style graphics and to not use an Environment station but a Communications station instead... and getting rid of one Science station.
What I'm basically saying is that your 3D set contradicts both itself and your top view layout. And the toilet is called the head... both in Star Trek and in the Navies.
[ June 22, 2002, 21:19: Message edited by: Dat ]
Posted by Lobo (Member # 669) on :
If you give me more LCARS textures then i will make it better! I am working on the correct textures for the stations.
Lobo
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Too bad I don't have any textures for you as I don't do this kind of stuff. But at least I understand now why your graphics contradict each other. There was a guy who did superb 3D sets. I must say they were even more realistic than your sets. (Not that your sets are bad... they're quite good themselves). His name is seanr, but he no longer posts here anymore.
Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
Give it to Masao (haven't seen him in awhile) for Starfleet Museum so he can start a 24th century section for it.
Posted by Lobo (Member # 669) on :
quote:His name is seanr, but he no longer posts here anymore.
Oh yes i know seanr from 3d gladiators forum. His bridges are excellent he is really the "�ber Br�cken Meister" and i am just the "Br�cken Penner" He has more skill then me. Lobo
[ June 23, 2002, 13:55: Message edited by: Lobo ]
Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
More skill than you Lobo? I find that hard to believe.
Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
Two thumbs up, Lobo!
I just sifted through the whole thread, and I liked the ship from the very beginning. To me it looks pre-TNG enough. It's the best design I have seen lately.
If you are looking for a place to show it, I may just post it in the Journal of Applied Treknology (which reminds me that we have to get rid of some bad designs for the benefit of the good ones shown there).
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