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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Topher</b> <br /><small>Member # 71</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,8,25,17,37,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 25, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:37 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I just received a copy of Starfleet Prototype in the mail today. I bought the copy from David Schmidt, who had a box of copies of the book that never made it to stores (or something like that). Anyways, I was looking through the book and found three ships that I had never seen before: The USS Conquest (DN 2589) class dreadnought, the USS Dahlgren (CS 2567) clas strike cruiser and the USS Valor (CE 2830) class exploratory cruiser. These three ships bare a striking resemblance to the Belknap family of ships, with the Conquest, Dahlgren, and Valor having similiar configurations to the Ascension, Belknap, and Athabaska, respectively. What I'm wondering is how come these have never been scanned and catalogued at, say, the SSDB before? I did a Google search on these ships and all I found was text references. Can anyone shed some light on this? Dave? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Snay</b> <br /><small>Member # 411</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,8,25,17,55,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 25, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:55 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Would you like to borrow a flashlight? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Mucus</b> <br /><small>Member # 24</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,8,25,17,58,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 25, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:58 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The answer would be: "Because" <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Akira</b> <br /><small>Member # 850</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,8,25,19,57,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 25, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:57 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> can you post them i would love to see them or email me. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Fructose</b> <br /><small>Member # 309</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,8,25,20,54,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 25, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:54 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I must have an older version, because my book doesn't have those. Weird. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>O Captain Mike Captain</b> <br /><small>Member # 709</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,8,26,0,42,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 26, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:42 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> wasnt there some skunking about with Ships of the Star Fleet charging plagiarism to the people who were ripping off their ship designs. i think Starfleet Dynamics had to change the names (and shapes) of some of their ships because they were reprinting or representing Mastercom's designs.<br /><br />All moot because i think Viacom slapped all of their asses shortly thereafter. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Topher</b> <br /><small>Member # 71</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,8,26,13,22,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 26, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:22 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well, these ships are near the back of the book, under the TacResFleet section. There are references earlier in the book to the Dahlgren, even once with the registry 2501. I would hope that was typo on Dave's part. And for the scanning, I don't know. The images might be too big for my scanner. Plus, it's a new book and the edges of the images would be in the crease, so there'd be some shading there... <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>O Captain Mike Captain</b> <br /><small>Member # 709</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,8,26,16,5,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 26, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:05 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Yes i found my copy of Schmidt's Dynamics, and the classes have the same names in that book, Dahlgren, etc..<br /><br />theres a blurb that specifically mentions that the book has been altered from previous versions because they were using Mastercom's designs and didnt wish to plagiarize.<br /><br />a few of the ships are even rough around the edges where they pasted a replacement over whatever was on the original printing plate. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Topher</b> <br /><small>Member # 71</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,8,26,16,21,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 26, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:21 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I have a copy of SfD that has the Belknap-Ascension-Athabaska in it. I did some scans and I have uploaded images of the <a href="http://topher.pleh.net/misc/cruiser_dahlgren.jpg">Dahlgren</a>-<a href="http://topher.pleh.net/misc/dreadnought_conquest.jpg">Conquest</a>-<a href="http://topher.pleh.net/misc/exploratorycruiser_valor.jpg">Valor</a>. These are probably the ships you see in your copy of SfD, Mike. Like I said, very close to the Belknap-Ascension-Athabaska. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Vogon Poet</b> <br /><small>Member # 393</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,8,26,17,6,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 26, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:06 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by O Captain Mike Captain:<br /><strong>a few of the ships are even rough around the edges where they pasted a replacement over whatever was on the original printing plate.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">. . . which is one way of explaining why the pages are stuck together, I guess. . . <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Akira</b> <br /><small>Member # 850</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,8,26,21,30,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 26, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:30 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Can Someone post any other pages for me out of this book like Reg for my Registry List?<br /><br />I need any book Registrys except ships of the fleet vol. 1 revised and 2. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Treknophyle</b> <br /><small>Member # 509</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,8,27,8,36,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 27, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:36 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Feel free to scan & post. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Treknophyle</b> <br /><small>Member # 509</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,8,27,8,38,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 27, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:38 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> FYI: I did not plagerize - I made reference (homage?) to earlier work in order to preserve continuity - making reference also to existing publications.<br /><br />Probably the same way the other author used the Enterprise...<br /><br />Which I mentioned to him... <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Akira</b> <br /><small>Member # 850</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,8,27,9,53,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 27, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:53 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> come on some one has to have more designs than this. I will get the books some time or another.<br /><br />how do you guys draw these things ? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Topher</b> <br /><small>Member # 71</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,8,27,20,32,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 27, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:32 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <a href="http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/shuttlecarrier_archangel.jpg">Archangel</a> SC 2294<br /><a href="http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/corvette_asmodeus_upgrade.jpg">Asmodeus</a> CV 200<br /><a href="http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/battlecruiser_sharien.jpg">S'Harien</a> CG 3107<br /><a href="http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/cruiser_athabaska.jpg">Athabaska</a> CE 2560<br /><a href="http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/lightcruiser_ranger.jpg">Ranger</a> CL 2701<br /><a href="http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/patrolcruiser_starstalker.jpg">Starstalker</a> CP 2117<br /><a href="http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/tacticalcruiser_thruxton.jpg">Thruxton</a> CT 2761<br /><a href="http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/destroyer_siva.jpg">Siva</a> DD 520<br /><a href="http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/fastdestroyer_scimitar.jpg">Scimitar</a> DF 2901<br /><a href="http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/strategicfrigate_pharris.jpg">Pharris</a> FS 3537<br /><a href="http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/clipper_clarke_upgrade.jpg">Clarke</a> CP 100<br /><a href="http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/corsair_greer.jpg">Greer</a> CR 472<br /><a href="http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/perimeteraction_dupliex.jpg">Dupliex</a> PA 2346<br /><a href="http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/scout_monoceros.jpg">Monoceros</a> ST 601<br /><a href="http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/superscout_phantom.jpg">Phantom</a> SS 2951<br /><a href="http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/cargoxporttug_schmidt.jpg">Schmidt</a> TT 800<br /><a href="http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/dreadnought_adamant.jpg">Adamant</a> DNF 3029<br /><a href="http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/corvette_davenport.jpg">Davenport</a> CV 2635<br />Conquest DN 2589<br />Dahlgren CS 2567<br />Valor CE 2830<br />Constant CG 3321 (resembles S'Harien)<br />Miranda FH 1890 (duh)<br />Exultant FR 1978 (looks like a Knox to me...)<br />Gagarin SV 630 (what the Oberth was called before it was Oberth)<br /><br />Those are all the ships in SfP. They're all prototype ships, so the classes are named after them. <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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