A continuation of a long term project of mine, extrapolating out possible designs for the DY Series. This one is largly based off of Sternbach's DY-100 refit (I even kept the name) that was featured in the old Starfleet Chronology.
It's a big one so I'll link it.
Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
good lord that's sweet!
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
And there was much sweetness... and the peasants rejoiced!
Very, very cool. I absolutely love the logo you made for the construction company.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Here's an idea I had for the launching method, basically they're a pair of SRBs that once separated from the main craft can glide back to earth and even land on one of the space shuttle's old (in 2035) runways.
However I'm not entirely confidant that a ship that size is feasible, is there a rocket scientist in the house!?
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Well, let's see. You have to take into account the size of the ship, what its mass is, how strong the materials that it's made of are, and figure out how much force is required to enter orbit, account for atmospheric resistance...
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Do I get to use magic beans?
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
I don't know about those reusuable boosters, Rev. Those small-bore nozzles would weigh a lot more than a single large nozzle with the same rear surface area, so are rather inefficient. You'd be better off with larger, non-reusable boosters without that semicircular cross section. Or, go for a large reusuable air-plane shaped booster.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Originally I had planned to have one big aerospike there instead, which as it turned out was exceedingly difficult to draw with that curve and not make it look...well crap. What you see here is plan-B. I suppose you could make up some technobabble about those little rockets, like say they use electron enhanced magnetic fields to increase the thrust pressure at high altitudes thus making the nozzles very efficient indeed. Or I could go back to using the magic beans Posted by Sarvek (Member # 910) on :
Awesome work Reverend!! That has always been an interesting ship in the world of Star Trek. It is nice to see an updated version. I am truly impressed. Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Very nice work.
Just something - the position of the windows in the 'tower' made me wonder if there was a gravity system.
Then I thought about The Botany Bay - Did Kahn's ship have gravity in Space Seed? Does this then meen?mean? by the 1990's they had artificial gravity?
Andrew
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Very nice work.
Just something - the position of the windows in the 'tower' made me wonder if there was a gravity system.
Then I thought about The Botany Bay - Did Kahn's ship have gravity in Space Seed? Does this then meen?mean? by the 1990's they had artificial gravity?
Andrew
Yes this is a sticky problem indeed.
The Botany Bay did indeed have gravity when Kirk & co beamed over, now you can look at this in two ways;
1 - Scotty beamed over a gravity generator ahead of the away team so they wouldn't have the inconvenience of a zero-G environment.
2 - The Botany Bay had it's own gravity generator/plating, something far in advance of the level of technology available at the end of the 20th century...not that they knew that back in the 60's.
For me the second option seams the most inviting, especially given that the design of Botany Bay set certainly didn't look like the inside of a zero gravity ship. In actuality it looks exactly like a room that people are meant to walk through instead of float. What I consider a fair explanation of how a gravity generator found it's way onboard such an old ship is that it was invented by Khan and/or those 80 or so super geniuses who were frozen aboard. Indeed the cryo freezers and ship itself is apparently far too advanced a technology so you could propose that the entire ship was designed by these people and most of it's advanced secrets were lost when they fled earth, which is why later ships such as the Aries IV were apparently less advanced.
So, to answer your question no, I don't believe this DY-300 had gravity since Khan and his followers took all of their knowledge with them, leaving only a construction company and a set of structural blueprints.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Then there's always the explanation from the Eugenics Wars books... Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
what is the explanation in the Eugenics War books? feel free to spoil me .
Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
"They" (elements within the US govt.) built the Botany Bay in Area 51 with technology "cribbed" from the Ferengi Shuttle which crash-landed in Roswell.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
But... Khan didn't come from the US! How'd he get his hands on it? (Based on the assumption that the US wasn't involved in the Eugenics Wars, given the setting in "Future's End.")
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Don't forget about Gary Seven. He supplied certain technologies to the project, impulse drive being one of them, I think. He was secretly funding the project as a backup, which he ended up using. He offered Khan an ultimatum: spend the rest of his life being hunted down, or he and his fellow superhumans could be put in stasis on the Botany Bay and sent out to colonize a planet.
One of the funniest parts of the book is how he and Roberta steal the Botany Bay out of Area 51. Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Thanks for that, I havn't actually finished reading the first book yet. Regardless of how much I did enjoy what I managed to read I'm not about to go ripping off another author's work.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
It wouldn't be ripping off an author's work, it'd be being consistant with his work Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Interesting that for the fact that if there was no gravity aboard the Botany Bay - their muscles would have wasted away?? Even being in stasis?
I like the idea that Kahn and co. had a 'get-away' vehicle. Although - why would Rain Robinson have a model in her office!?! Maybe it was a design at the time - but was refitted by Kahn and co. So other DY-100's mightn't have had gravity.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote: It wouldn't be ripping off an author's work, it'd be being consistant with his work
Thats close enough. Besides I just might have a few ideas of my own about just how these ships came into being.
quote: Interesting that for the fact that if there was no gravity aboard the Botany Bay - their muscles would have wasted away?? Even being in stasis?
I'll have to check the episode again but I'm pretty sure that there was a comment made about just how fast Khan recovered from being in cryogenic freeze for so long. Also I seam to recall his people doing all kinds of stretching routines when they were brought out, a possible sign of muscle atrophy. With their genetically accelerated healing abilities and increase muscle density any such effect would be greatly reduced.
Also I don't believe that muscle deterioration was an issue in reviving the survivors of the S.S. Birdseye. Mind you they were frozen corpses so I presume Crusher was able to repair all the damaged tissue and ruptured cell walls ahead of time. By comparison, tired muscles are a minor concern.
quote: I like the idea that Kahn and co. had a 'get-away' vehicle. Although - why would Rain Robinson have a model in her office!?! Maybe it was a design at the time - but was refitted by Kahn and co. So other DY-100's mightn't have had gravity.
I had a similar thought, except that Rain's model was bought from some mail order company that does kits for planes and rockets that don't officially exist. I say this because I remember seeing a model kit for the supposed Aurora stealth plane some years back, when X-Files was still fresh and popular.
I agree that Khan's ship(s*) were the only ones outfitted with the really advanced stuff and that only the DY-100's structural blueprints and maybe some unfinished hull sections are left behind for the DY company to work from.
*In my DY-100 article I have three being symoltaniously launched into orbit, two of which get taken out by an orbiting weapons platform while Khan & co manage to escape. Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I have an idea - just looking at your chart at the Journal of Applied Treknology or whatever...
Before the or taking into account your DY-950 (i.e. the front shape) Leading into the S.S. Enterprise with the circle/torus at the back!?!
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
An intriguing possibility. Perhaps the result of an experimental project using Vulcan engine designs?
Of course if I go down that road the guy who came up with the other take on the DY Series is going to think I stole his idea.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Well - it's not a huge leap - especially now with Enterprise and Vulcan ships etc. You could always say he inspired you - but your ship-shape gave me the idea before his did.
Andrew
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
On second thought that might not be such a good idea, given the S.S. Enterprise's distinct XCV-330 registry. On the other hand the registry could just mean that the ship was sold to another company or that XCV is an early reg code for interstellar liners...hmm...I'll have to think about this.
However I am now seriously tempted to put a split-ring on one of the later DYs...call it a little bit of industrial espionage Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Has anyone got a good view of the SS Enterprise??
If you look at Matt Jeffries designs of it - at the front the 'pod' thing looks sorta DY'ish. Then there was that Chronology version floating around somewhere - but it's pod looked more like your later classes - that's what reminded me! Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Hey I did this - took me about an hour to find the images and fumble my way around the art program - geez they've changed PSP since version 5. (Well a little)
WARNING!! It's very crude. Especially the 'moon ship' ;o) (From the opening Enterprise credits)
It makes good sense. Thank you for the chart. I can not wait to see the official design of the lunar orbiter, but that is a good representation. Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
The 'Reverend?'s and 'Masao?'s are Bernd's own drawings. Just for the record.
There are two more obscure early ship classes: the RT-2203 (SS Tomobiki) and the BBI-993 (SS Buckaroo Banzai). My pet theory is that the RT class of ships where the ones with the rings. Of course, this was way before the XCV cropped up, and dates back from my days as a n00b
But you might want to consider some special designs for the BBI's and RT's.
PS1 What's that "moon ship"? PS2 I think the design of the Fortunate was very good. Especially for the new CrazySexyCool attitude in Trek Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Actually the Valiant is mine...for the record One of these days I'll finish off the other views. The Conestoga dose indeed appear to be one of Bernd's but the "S.S. Enterprise" dosen't look like his usual work to me, so it might be a contribution. Oh and the NX-01 is Bernd's too by the looks of it.
As a side note I actually did a dedication plaque for the Valiant a while back that has it as one of the RT series so perhaps the ringship is of the BBI series...not that it matters which way round it goes.
After a few sketches exploring the idea of incorperating the ringships into the DY line and I've decided that while there are some similarities, on the whole it would be very difficult to intergrate them in the the evolution of the DY without looking forced. Perhaps when I'm done I'll go back and make a whole new family of designs for the BBI & RT ships.
Nice work on the chart Andrew, however for some reason I got the impression that the Luna warp ship was wedge shaped.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Thanks for the nice words. Sorry I didn't realise some were actually Bernd's. Sorry Bernd.
Oh and the Lunar Orbiter ship is VERY VERY crude. Sorry
Yeah it might be hard to fit the ring-ship in... but I just noticed on the DY-350/700 just after the 'balls' near the rear is a little shape that appears on the 'end' of the Ring ship's 'spine'. And the 'pod' at the front fits the Valiant's/Conestoga's 'body' but more interestingly the original Matt Jeffries' version has a DY-type front pod!
It's just a generic grebbile. Bear in mind that the DY-245/(750) schematic was based off a fuzzy, low-res scan of a murky black and white photo, so I had to embellish a few details. Personally I think this particular bit is a good candidate for the refuelling ports for those tanks.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Yup, it reminded me of that similar looking structure at the end of the Ring-Ship. Jeffries included it on a few other versions too.
There is also an early sketch of a ship with a saucer that has those antennae. Also a sketch with the front of the DY's attached to the front of a saucer with nacelles. (Jefferies' sketches towards the E.)
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
UPDATE:
I wasn't at all happy with the way the cargo pods looked from the front to I went back and realligned the structure so it looked far more symetrical.
Also updated the launcher chart.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
What program do you use, again? If it's Adobe Illustrator - how do you do your lines... i.e. do you use that line tool or the anchor-points tool??
Or am I doing things totally wrong??
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