Okey Dokey! The "odd nacelled starships" thread had me thinking I'd share my latest model with youse mugs. For your approval, here's my USS Douglas, a DS9 era, one nacelled starship that should perform better than most early TNG era two nacelled starships because of improvments in technology.....mabye. http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=1227830&uid=657989 What advantages would having only one nacelle have over two? Less mass, smaller target profile, easier coverage for defensive weapons...all would make something like this feasable, IMHO.
Your thoughts?
I'm really happy with the model but you'll have to excuse the poor photography: My new place doesnt have the lighting set-up for better quality depth of field shots yet. Also of note is that I'm not the ship's original designer but I've changed the windows, lifeboats, shuttlebay, impulse engines, hull plating, bridge and phasers so I feel she's partly my own.
And for those the size of Tim, it can double as a hand phaser!
I think its a good idea. What scale are you building in?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
1:2500th scale (all my models are). I think it looks more like a microphone myself, but if the shuttlebay was the fire button... I could see the phaser working out too.
Like McCoy using the model part of the K'Tinga engineering section as a medical device in STIV. Posted by Irishman (Member # 1188) on :
Jason,
Cool design, but I don't think you'd reap a tactical advantage from having one nacelle on the Douglass- class. Why not? Because the sensor/target profile you would present would be no greater than your widest point, which is your primary hull here. Even with two close-together nacelles you wouldn't lose the advantage of the smaller sensor/target profile.
Just my 2 cents
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Well, this kind of has two nacelles blended into one frame. I like it tactically, because the nacelles are such obvious targets that having the close together might make them easier to defend and quickly repair. On this design, repair teams have access to almost the whole nacelle without EVA.
Fits in Spacedock better too!
Posted by TheWoozle (Member # 929) on :
I like the sleek, fast-scout lines. Nice model ya go there. I wish mine only took a few hours work.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
YOU bought one of these?!? Man, I'd love to see what someone else would do with the basic design: I think only a very few were ever made before the cutoff date.
All told this sip took about 15 hours to paint/decal/modify: mainly because the first paintjob was ruined when some dumbass sprayed gray paint on it instead of clear coat. Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
Not bad for a non-TOS design.
It looks like a TNG version of my Predator class destroyer. All the components are actually in the same places. Neat!
I think you really improved the basic design.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Hey! It does look like your Predator class! Kewel.
I love the Predator, BTW...for a TOS design. Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
Sigh... it does look like Predator[]i] class, and yet it distinctly different. It reminded me why I don't like [i]NX class again.
Very good work (I mean the ship, not reminder )
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
quote:Originally posted by WizArtist: And for those the size of Tim, it can double as a hand phaser!
I think its a good idea. What scale are you building in?
...who is Tim? is he a truck driver? i knew a Tim from high school in our D&D group. no comment on all the events in the Groo Log attributed to him, however. unlikely that it is him but one can never know in this slightly pear shaped, taste like cheese sandwiches world of ours...
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
That's nicely done Jason! I really like the design. That'd look good a little bigger than 2500th... Posted by Ravenstar Studios (Member # 1120) on :
Masao Your predator as all of your designs are fanstastic and well balanced. I've always wanted to build all of your designs , but never enough time. The Douglass was designed about 7 years ago and I finally was able to build it 5 years ago. It sold very well and I had a blast making it. I wasnted to build a post NG style scout and thats what I came up with. Jackill wanted to make blueprints of it , but I haven't heard from Eric in a while , not sure where that stands.But it would be cool to see.
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
Chris, I never saw your design until Jason posted it, so seeing how it resembled my scout was a real kick in the head (but in a good way!). I guess that certain solutions to design and engineering problems work well, regardless of the era, and will be independently arrived at periodically. Sort of like convergent evolution.
Posted by Ravenstar Studios (Member # 1120) on :
Well look at it a little simpler," Great minds think alike." Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ravenstar Studios: Well look at it a little simpler," Great minds think alike."
Well, modesty prevented me from saying that.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Um...I dont suppose you'd care to render the Douglas done up to my specs would you? Because that would rock.
I can see a real design lineage from the Predator to Saladin then Polaris, Freedom and eventually Douglas class. Mabye they're all from the same shipyards over the cours of a century. Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Um...I dont suppose you'd care to render the Douglas done up to my specs would you? Because that would rock.
I hope you're not asking me, since I don't know a thing about 3-D rendering. I just draw TOS ships in 2-D. Maybe Reverend, that well known delineator of modern starships, would be willing to draw up some schematics.
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: I can see a real design lineage from the Predator to Saladin then Polaris, Freedom and eventually Douglas class. Mabye they're all from the same shipyards over the cours of a century.
I agree, such a progression makes sense, but I'd leave out that hideous Freedom class. And they should also have that big deflector under the primary hull.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Mabye you could just draw up a nice MSD? Or schematics? Or something?
I'll print them up as a tech manual insert if you do.....I have nice printers here. Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Mabye you could just draw up a nice MSD? Or schematics? Or something?
I'll print them up as a tech manual insert if you do.....I have nice printers here.
Very tempting, but I must decline. I rarely do TNG-era ships and I've only done one MSD. Reverend's the guy you want for this job!
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Thanks anyhow.
Revrend! Where for art thou?
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Around.
It's certainly an interesting design, but not something that I'd be particularly excited about drawing. There's just too many things about the design that I would want to change. For a start I'd move the nacelle up so it's level with the deflector housing and do something to integrate those two structures. Actually, to tell you the truth I'd probably want to move the deflector into the cut-out and make the nacelle stick straight out the back of the saucer, perhaps having the ram scoops moved to the front of the saucer ala steamrunner to give the design a more streamlined too and to evolve the concept instead of just repeating the old patterns.
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
Jason, if you take some larger, dead-on orthographic views (side, top and front), I'll see what I can do about making some schematics. No promises, though; if I'm having too many problems/frustrations with the schematics, I probably won't tough it out. You can post them here or email them to me. okazaki @ jikei.ac.jp
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Cool: I planned on shooting orthographic views tomorrow anyway.
Eventually, I plan on making one large size comparison chart of all the unique designs in my fleet.
Loos like a Saladin/Constilation hybrid.
Posted by Ravenstar Studios (Member # 1120) on :
Masao if you need I'll send you a copy . Once and a while someone does a nice set of drawings of one of my models , I have no problem setting someone up with copys.let meknow.
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
Chris, if you're offering me a free kit, sure!!! I've PM'd you my address.
Posted by Ravenstar Studios (Member # 1120) on :
Done. Posted by jesus X (Member # 1201) on :
Where do you guys get the parts for these 1/2500 scale models? They all seem to oregular to all be hand made. I can see some parts being handmade...
I'm building my own hand-crafted model, haven't figured out the total look yet. I'm starting it from some hotel shampoo bottles that just REALLY have a good nacelle look. Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Well...Ravenstar makes all his stuff from scratch. I scour the earth in search of intresting, oddly scaled models that I can chop apart into new ships. I also scratchbuild my own as time permits.
Is your ship going to be a Fed ship?
Posted by jesus X (Member # 1201) on :
quote:Is your ship going to be a Fed ship?
Yes, in the TNG/DS9/VOY era, although it won't be in quite the same vein as the Sovereign/Nova style. I'm starting from these shapes for engine nacelles, and it will be styled as something like an intermediate step from the Galaxy to the Sovereign. More angular than the Galaxy, but more smooth lined than the Sovereign. I never really warmed up to the Sovereign as the new Enterprise. I can clean up some of the rough sketches I've been scribbling out, and will post a couple soon.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Jason, the new pics are good, but could you make larger ones? The resolution is slightly too low for accurate schematics.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Yeah I'll make some high-res versions this week and e-mail you with them. Picturetrail doesnt allow for large files.
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
Thanks. I'll be waiting.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Havent forgotten...I got the flu. Trying not to die.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Don't waste yourself. B)
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
No more chills or uncontrollable shakes, just a hacking cough and a need to drink beer.
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
Drink beer, which is, for medicinal purposes, a fluid. Of which you should drink a lot of. So, drink beer!
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Actually beer relaxed my coughing greatly. Gotta say, I feel better now.
I'm sending the negatives out for high-res scans tomorrow 9photographer's help willing).
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: I'm sending the negatives out for high-res scans tomorrow 9photographer's help willing).
Negatives?!?! For some reason I had assumed that this were done with a digital camera. Sorry to make you go to all that trouble.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
NO biggie: my photographer needs to scan a bunch of his negatives this week anyway. I shoot on film but have the lab just burn a CD instead of making prints and then having to scan them myself. The only problem is that the resolution is not very high in the CD scans.
Incidentally, JOAT (via ExAstrisScientia) has just accepted the Douglas/Lynch class along with a backstory I came up with for the ship. http://www.treknology.org/new.htm Posted by Ravenstar Studios (Member # 1120) on :
Designed By ?.
Well it's cool you got published.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Only one of several things to be changed before it actually goes into the website...not to worrry, I made it very clear that this was "my take" on your design! I even posted in pics to your site images!
Hopefully Bernd can change it without much hassle and add pics of the original configuration.
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him but one can never know in this slightly pear shaped, taste like cheese sandwiches world of ours...