I happened to see this over on TrekBBS: What's a Cardassian "Penetrator" vessel? Scroll a little way down and you'll see Rick posted another of his concept sketches.
B.J.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Heavy penetrator" has to be the worst designation for a ship of all time.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Why do Sternbach and Okuda post there? That place sucks! They should be here, posting at Flare where they would be appreciated! Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
They've heard about the hazing. Plus we smell.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
People who actually work for the franchise get an automatic no-newb-hazing pass.
I actually like the design that was used for Dreadnaught. It seemed to fit the function nicely.
The one he posted seems a little too overworked for a missle. I think it would work for another kind of Cardie ship though. Kind of looks like one of the ships in one of the Trek computer games.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
"They should be here, posting at Flare where they would be appreciated!"
quote:Originally posted by Lee the Vogon Poet, circa 2001, The Year Everything Changed: Listen, for six months I had you all convinced I was Australian just by putting the occasional "Fair dinkum" or "G'day" in what I was typing. Just because this guy SAYS he's this Mojo character, doesn't mean he is. And NO-ONE 'famous' ever shows up here. We managed one chat with Robert Hewitt Wolfe, and that was 3 years ago. We're too eccentric, too out there, all the other BBs think we're weird. If you want to go hang out with minor Paramount functionaries who will only ever say "oh, we're planning big things, big, big things. Can't tell you about them, though - keep watching!" then go to the bloody TrekBBS or TrekWeb or WebTrek or TreWebek or wherever.
I rest my case.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
I've never paid much attention to that site, but after visiting this link I did some further browsing. What a bunch of fucking morons....
Oh wait, are there some Flarites I see towards the bottom there?
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
And guess what, Mojo turned out to be the real deal. And he's been the only one here. What does that say about Lee? Should we listen to him any further? Well, that's really for the rest of you to decide.
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
Why would anyone want to pretend that they're Australian??? Was anyone fooled?
Let me say I'm shocked, shocked, that any Flarite would post at Trek BBS!!!
Seriously, TrekBBS is ok, but they have a too many fanboys, kranks, Enterprise fans, and other types of misfits. People over there tend to be very touchy and easily take offense. I like the higher quality of sociopath we have here at Flare. More discerning and better informed, anyway.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Everyone here of course knows that those first Keldons that attacked the Defiant weren't modified like the later ones that were chasing it to the Kraxon... Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by Masao: Let me say I'm shocked, shocked, that any Flarite would post at Trek BBS!!!
It was dark, I was drunk, and I had bad footing.
quote:Seriously, TrekBBS is ok, but they have a too many fanboys, kranks, Enterprise fans, and other types of misfits.
Well . . . and this is just personal opinion here . . . for the most part (the Keldon discussion notwithstanding), I found the TrekBBS crowd to be alright. Sure, you have 'tards and pompous 'tards just like any other large open forum, but on average the tech discussions aren't too horrendously bad, and sometimes are dang good.
Of course, I may be biased . . . I like watching Aridas get smacked around, and there are plenty of folks at TrekBBS who do so.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Personally I tend to stick to the Art forum, which is reasonably sensible...even if there are one or two there that appear to have some "issues" that are a little beyond me. Other than that I only scan the tech page from time to time and keep an eye out to see what Sternbach is posting, which is usually something interesting.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Now i've had a vague memory pop in my head about TrekBBS from a few years ago - with a rather wankerish poster - there were links to it from here... Captain someone... he was just a complete nitwit. Can anyone remember who that was!?!
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
They're all "Captain Someone"
I remember the guy, but I can't think of his name either.
Suddenly I miss DARKSTAR. Never a dull moment.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Pfft. How could anyone NOT remember Major Barcalow, arch-nemesis of forum administrators everywhere? B)
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
That's exactly what I do, Rev, except I'm not registered there like you are. I just don't have the same volume of work that you do to justify registering for one more board.
B.J.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
The thing is, here at Flare, we have our own relatively small and isolated community where everything is generally peaceful; any disagreements are usually over minor points (or politics ) and our quirks are more often the cause of amusement rather than annoyance to each other, and thus are embraced.
But the BBS is like the big city. Thousands of members, many of them with a far less intellectual attitude towards Trek than most of us. The sheer volume of people ensures that along with the reasonable ones, you'll have unreasonable ones too. Many more forums; people form cliques based on common views and prejudices. And thrown into the mix are trolls, bullies, evangelists, and various other unsavory characters.
It's much more hectic, and at times can be a bit overwhelming, but once you learn how to navigate the sidestreets and alleyways of this city, you'll find that there are sections of town that have their own charms to offer, and not everyone is an idiot. (It just seems that way because we're used to here, where---with few exceptions---no one is really an idiot.)
Masao: Why are ENT fans "misfits"?
-MMoM Posted by MirrorCaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
I've never trusted TrekBBSers.. and I never will.. I can never forgive them.. for the death of my boy.
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: Masao: Why are ENT fans "misfits"?
-MMoM
Sorry, I was trying to be -- charitable. I should have said "tragically misguided." Posted by Masaki (Member # 1030) on :
Note: Deployable com antenna!
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Hey, its got phasers
How come they never launch the whole lot of them and send a swarm of knats at the enemy? Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"It's allright, but I'd have made it a little less Galor-ish."
Well, um... They did. It was a box.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
That's a tad more than a "little". Besides, during that whole episode I was expecting it to say "STERILIZE" in the Nomad voice.
They never did explain how they fuck it got there did they?
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Subspace or the Caretaker are my guesses
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Yes they said it was pulled in by the Caretaker as they had been. It had caught up to them I assume due to all their little detours - I guess like going to Talax etc.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by Captain Boh: Hey, its got phasers
How come they never launch the whole lot of them and send a swarm of knats at the enemy?
Knats? What are those Klingon gnats?
Another thing Flare is noteworthy for, its accuracy and resourcefulness - and how we rips those that are not apart!
Hey! Shouldn't this thread be in 'Starships & Technology'?
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
I think the whole idea behind Cardassian ship designs is that they're (the fighting ships anyways) based on the symbol of the Union, which is some creature on Cardassia or some such thing.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
quote:Hey, its got phasers
I could have told you that when the DS9 tech manual came out.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Futurama Guy:
quote:Originally posted by Captain Boh: Hey, its got phasers
How come they never launch the whole lot of them and send a swarm of knats at the enemy?
Knats? What are those Klingon gnats?
Another thing Flare is noteworthy for, its accuracy and resourcefulness - and how we rips those that are not apart!
Hear, hear!
(warning! the joke maybe too subtle for some)
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Captain Boh: Hey, its got phasers
How come they never launch the whole lot of them and send a swarm of knats at the enemy?
Because, while lifeboats might have phasers, they dont seem to carry shields. I'd prefer shields myself, if my lifeboat was fleeing from my exploding former-starship.
Besides, we saw how well fighters fared against the Galaxy class in Connundrum. Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
But anything Starfleet on Voyager is invincible!
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cartman: "They should be here, posting at Flare where they would be appreciated!"
quote:Originally posted by Lee the Vogon Poet, circa 2001, The Year Everything Changed: Listen, for six months I had you all convinced I was Australian just by putting the occasional "Fair dinkum" or "G'day" in what I was typing. Just because this guy SAYS he's this Mojo character, doesn't mean he is. And NO-ONE 'famous' ever shows up here. We managed one chat with Robert Hewitt Wolfe, and that was 3 years ago. We're too eccentric, too out there, all the other BBs think we're weird. If you want to go hang out with minor Paramount functionaries who will only ever say "oh, we're planning big things, big, big things. Can't tell you about them, though - keep watching!" then go to the bloody TrekBBS or TrekWeb or WebTrek or TreWebek or wherever.
I rest my case.
Gosh, I was so eloquent in those days. . .
quote:Originally posted by Dat: And guess what, Mojo turned out to be the real deal. And he's been the only one here. What does that say about Lee? Should we listen to him any further? Well, that's really for the rest of you to decide.
Yes, you were one of the ones fawning over him weren't you? And you totally missed the point. "Guy who does CGI images for a franchised calendar" falls into my definition of "Paramount functionary" (and isn't much higher on the foodchain at any rate). And you said it yourself - he HAS been the only one here.
The fact remains, we ARE to eccentric here for anyone important to get involved. Sad but true. Maybe one of the people who email Okuda or Sternbach on a regular basis could mount a PR campaign to get them interested in posting here.
Posted by Wes (Member # 212) on :
I met Mojo in real life at the Minnesoda Sci Fi Convergence. Thats right. I traveled 3000 miles just to see some of his work. (and to visit some friends and stuff.. hehe)
Anyway, yes, he IS THE REAL DEAL.
And his work KICKS ASS.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Oh, God. . .
Listen, I'm not criticising Mojo, OK? So I suggested 3 years ago he might not be real. Well, back then the USS Sentinel incident was fresh in a lot of people's minds. And he does good work if you're into that sort of thing. But what influence does he have over what Trek ships we see on-screen? Very little. Therefore his opinions don't matter to me.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Well, back then the USS Sentinel incident was fresh in a lot of people's minds."
Whereas now, hardly anyone has any idea what you're talking about.
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
I certanly don't
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Has anyone yet pointed out that the starter of this thread misspelled "Dreadnought" in the title?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Apparently, both spellings are used. Although, it does seem that "Dreadnought" was the name of the original ship.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Simply put, Adam Heinbuch aka The Vorlon had designed a ship called the Sentinel-class. Then, in one of the later eps of DS9 (I think one featuring the Jack Pack. . . no, I've just checked and it was "Treachery, Faith and the Great River") a USS Sentinel was mentioned. Then some people here (mentioning no names) faked an email from a member of the writing team, saying the naming was in honour of his design because they liked it so much. Adam was crushed. It was a really nasty thing to do.
After that, Rick Berman himself could have registered here and he'd have gotten a non-warm welcome from me. 8)
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
C'mon, Lee, name names!
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Honestly? I know the main culprit, but I've forgotten who else was involved. I'm not like Cartman, who can apparently recall things I said 3 years ago, that even I can't remember saying!
And what good would it do anyway? It's all in the past. Perhaps Dat should think about that before getting on his high horse about something I said back then regarding his idol. . . 8)
Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Yes they said it was pulled in by the Caretaker as they had been. It had caught up to them I assume due to all their little detours - I guess like going to Talax etc.
If memory serves, Voyager caught up to Dreadnought, not the other way away around. After all, Voyager was the last thing the Caretaker pulled into the Delta Quadrant, so Dreadnought was the one with a head start. Did they ever say how fast Dreadnought was?
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: Has anyone yet pointed out that the starter of this thread misspelled "Dreadnought" in the title?
Crap. Okay, so I misspelled something for once. It's not like I'm Jason Abbadon or something. TSN: "Dreadnaught" is not in the Merriam-Webster online dictionary.
B.J.
Posted by Nim the Fanciful (Member # 205) on :
Here she is, from 1905. I compiled this picture as an overhead for my history paper on battleships last semester. Scanned this in from a gigantic book, the original is like 2400*1600 pixels or something.
Kind of built like the cardassi�no counterpart, non?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"'Dreadnaught' is not in the Merriam-Webster online dictionary."
No, it's not. But it is mentioned as an alternative spelling in both the Random House dictionary sitting next to me, and in the online Oxford English Dictionary.
Posted by Manticore (Member # 1227) on :
That is one butt fugly ship, I have to admit.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
What would you expect from an early 20th century battleship? I think it looks fine.
Posted by Manticore (Member # 1227) on :
Eh, problem is, aside from subs, I hate the looks of any ship built post-Monitor/Virginia. But that one's really bad, IMO.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
So, in other words, you hate the looks of all modern ships, not including subs. And you only like wooden ships?
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Remind me, exactly what has asthetics got to do with battle ships? These things are built for war, not beauty pageants.
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
I find that most ships look pretty ugly if you include the underwater stuff in the side view; just look at the stuff above the water line and it looks much better.
Posted by StarCruiser (Member # 979) on :
Obviously, not a ship afficianado...
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
quote:Originally posted by Wraith: I find that most ships look pretty ugly if you include the underwater stuff in the side view; just look at the stuff above the water line and it looks much better.
That's because you are used to only seeing a ship above the waterline.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Seeing boats from underneath disturbs me. Bit of a ptoblem when you scuba dive. And wrecks totally freak me out. . .
Posted by Manticore (Member # 1227) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dat: So, in other words, you hate the looks of all modern ships, not including subs. And you only like wooden ships?
Yeah, I only like subs and "tall ships." And sailboats.
And I know that aesthetics have nothing to do with the design of a battleship, just saying that it's an ugly ship, even ignoring the stuff below the waterline.
Posted by Makotokat (Member # 1041) on :
Have you seen some of the French Pre-Dreadnoughts? Quite interesting designs...
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Nim the fanciful: greetings from a fellow Swede!
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Lousy Swedes....always digging up frozen aliens in Anartica....
Posted by MarianLH (Member # 1102) on :
21 knots? Pretty damn good for 1905.
Marian
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by Manticore: Eh, problem is, aside from subs, I hate the looks of any ship built post-Monitor/Virginia. But that one's really bad, IMO.
quote:Originally posted by MarianLH: 21 knots? Pretty damn good for 1905.
Well, that was one of the points that made Dreadnought so revolutionary. She was the first capital ship to be fitted with turbine engines instead of the other type (reciprocating?- been a little while since I read the relevant book).
I do wish we'd saved Dreadnought or even a dreadnought.
Posted by Manticore (Member # 1227) on :
quote:Originally posted by Futurama Guy:
quote:Originally posted by Manticore: Eh, problem is, aside from subs, I hate the looks of any ship built post-Monitor/Virginia. But that one's really bad, IMO.
quote:Originally posted by MarianLH: 21 knots? Pretty damn good for 1905.
Well, that was one of the points that made Dreadnought so revolutionary. She was the first capital ship to be fitted with turbine engines instead of the other type (reciprocating?- been a little while since I read the relevant book).
I do wish we'd saved Dreadnought or even a dreadnought.
There is ONE member of that generation left, though technically a "superdreadnaught" - the USS Texas here in Houston.
Why Britain never save a SINGLE battleship of any type (save HMS Victory - though she's a "line-of-battle ship") is beyond me. There were so many grand ol' ladies deserving of the honor (or honour) of representing British tars in the two world wars...
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
There's a late British-built pre-dreadnought, Mikasa, preserved in Japan.
Posted by StarCruiser (Member # 979) on :
quote:Originally posted by Masao: There's a late British-built pre-dreadnought, Mikasa, preserved in Japan.
Along with the USS Olympia up north, and the Russians supposedly kept the cruiser Aurora as well - both from roughly the same generation as the Mikasa.
Posted by machf (Member # 1233) on :
There's also the Huascar kept as a war trophy/naval museum in Talcahuano, Chile...
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Lousy Swedes....always digging up frozen aliens in Anartica....
Weren't those Norwegians?
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Let's just say 'Laps'... Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
quote: There is ONE member of that generation left, though technically a "superdreadnaught" - the USS Texas here in Houston.
Why Britain never save a SINGLE battleship of any type (save HMS Victory - though she's a "line-of-battle ship") is beyond me. There were so many grand ol' ladies deserving of the honor (or honour) of representing British tars in the two world wars...
Yeah, I forgot about the Texas.
Not sure why we never saved anything; not one vessel saved 'for the nation' between Victory and Belfast (WW2 Cruiser) although a few others have survived. And it's always honour Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Too bad we couldn't save the WW2 Enterprise, but at least a part of her lives to this day on the current carrier Enterprise.
Posted by StarCruiser (Member # 979) on :
quote:Originally posted by Wraith:
quote: There is ONE member of that generation left, though technically a "superdreadnaught" - the USS Texas here in Houston.
Why Britain never save a SINGLE battleship of any type (save HMS Victory - though she's a "line-of-battle ship") is beyond me. There were so many grand ol' ladies deserving of the honor (or honour) of representing British tars in the two world wars...
Yeah, I forgot about the Texas.
Not sure why we never saved anything; not one vessel saved 'for the nation' between Victory and Belfast (WW2 Cruiser) although a few others have survived. And it's always honour
Actually - nearly forgot since this happened rather recently... HMS Warrior is still there! She was restored and is on display around the corner from Victory! Hansome ol' lady, she is...
Posted by StarCruiser (Member # 979) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dat: Too bad we couldn't save the WW2 Enterprise, but at least a part of her lives to this day on the current carrier Enterprise.
There was a lot of yelling over CV6... She should have been saved but, politics and stupidity got in the way - again.
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
quote: Actually - nearly forgot since this happened rather recently... HMS Warrior is still there! She was restored and is on display around the corner from Victory! Hansome ol' lady, she is...
She certainly is! But she was recoverered and restored after Belfast, strangely enough. I think she was being used as storage or something; she was moored on some river in a right state.
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