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Posted by Lobo (Member # 669) on :
 
Hi everybody,

I am currently working on a new Starship.
It's an early TNG ear ship.


Here is the link to a lager (2200x300) version to see the details better.
Picture

Tell me what you think.

Lobo
 

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
I think it might look better without the primary saucer, and just have that Voyager-esque shape be the hull.

Other than that, good work. I really like that funky nacelle design
 

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Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
 
Wow! Love the detail work you've put into this. Looks very much like a true TNG version of the Excelsior. I'd like to see other views of this if you have them. That upper lip on the forward secondary hull is definitely different, and I can imagine that some might not like it, but I do. With so many cookie-cutter designs out there, we need fresh ideas. I also like how you've come up with new ideas for the sensor strips, nacelles, and deflector.

I forget if you've said it before, but what program do you use?

B.J.
 

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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
This design looks pretty cool! It's a nice meshing of design elements from many others, but it doesn't lack originality, either. What's it called?

Lobo, somebody said you designed stuff for the Borg Invasion 4D attraction at Star Trek: The Experience. Is that true? Did you design the Olympia?

-MMoM
 

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
I kind of like Harry's suggestion, though in that case I think the nacelles would need to be tweaked a little, as they would look. . . unbalanced. But all in all it is interesting.
 

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Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
 

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Originally posted by Harry:
I think it might look better without the primary saucer, and just have that Voyager-esque shape be the hull.

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Originally posted by Lobo:
Hi everybody,

I am currently working on a new Starship.
It's an early TNG ear ship.

Tell me what you think.

Lobo

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I forget if you've said it before, but what program do you use?

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I think it might look better without the primary saucer, and just have that Voyager-esque shape be the hull.

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This design looks pretty cool! It's a nice meshing of design elements from many others, but it doesn't lack originality, either. What's it called?

Lobo, somebody said you designed stuff for the Borg Invasion 4D attraction at Star Trek: The Experience. Is that true? Did you design the Olympia?

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This would have made a good Titan for the contest.

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Thanks, Masao. I don't know the rules of that Titan contest but I assume my ship would have been too old to be the "new" ship Titan.

At last I am glad to see that you all like the ship so far, thanks.


Lobo
 

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
 
I love the nacelles! Not wild about the lip sticking out above the deflector, though.

And yes, I'd like to see caps of the Olympia too.
 

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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
Interesting design.
From an artistic standpoint, if I were you I'd use more contrast in those gradients. As it stands the colours look a little flat and washed out, with little sense of depth.
Really like the nacelle design though.
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
I dont dig the secondary hull sticking forward like that- looks a bit like a goblin shark's horn.

Is the saucer circular or oval?
 

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Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
 
It's a sleek design. Sharp and you can see the Excelsior lineage (without the guppy-ish Excelsion qualities) I even like the deflector over-bite. But maybe a little too slim at the rear of the engineering hull. Structurally it seems like a lot of things need to happen where the nacelles join the secondary hull. Especially if one intuitively expect the nacelles to be providing the motive force for the vessel. Right now that area looks to be about one deck high, and so maybe double that? Don't know just my initial reaction...
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
Sooo....top view?

Do the nacelle pylons stem from the secondary hull like Probert's Ambassador Prototype?

Looks that way....

Have you ever considered making the Amby Prototype?
Pretty Pleeeeze?
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
I like the side view proportions a lot. However, the saucer's size seems to dominate the secondary hull, which from the top could be too narrow if the deflector is circular. By the same token, I hope the secondary isn't too broad, lest it look like the saucer is attached to a 2x6 piece of wood.

Oh, and I can't spot the aft torpedo launchers.. Are they in the aft undercut?

Mark

[ October 22, 2005, 08:48 AM: Message edited by: Mark Nguyen ]
 

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Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
 
We need more views! Draw, man, draw!
 

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Posted by Lobo (Member # 669) on :
 

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Originally posted by Masao:
We need more views! Draw, man, draw!

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Yes Sir!
I try but my studies take a lot of my spare free time. So I don't know when I can continue my work on the ship. But I try it as soon as possible. :-)

Btw: Actually you should be able to image how the other views would look like. *g*
Just think of the views of an Ambassador/Excelsior mix

Stay tuned

I will post some pics soon.

Lobo
 

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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
 
Wow! Great artwork (as always), and a fantastic detail work and color scheme.

Well, it took me a few seconds to get used to it, but I like it. Only the combination of nacelles and nacelle pylons is strange because it looks like the nacelles are pointing down although their centerline is horizontal.
 

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Harry wrote:

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I think it might look better without the primary saucer, and just have that Voyager-esque shape be the hull.

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Look at it this way: it will be the first ship in Star Trek with a good-looking engineering section after saucer separation.
 

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Posted by Renderking Fisk (Member # 1628) on :
 
It actually looks better then "The Titan" design the book company settled on.
 

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Posted by Lobo (Member # 669) on :
 
Hi,
I slighly modified the ship and add a saucer seperation feature. Thanks Nim .


Picture 1



Picture 2


And at last I have a few pictures of the design process (nothing special, just want to show you how I came to the final design):
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all side
Me

Lobo
 

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
 
Foolish lad. Almost any of those designs would've kicked the crap out of the Titan contest winner. And certainly out the runners up.
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
Question - does the nav deflector extend up into the dorsal half of the secondary hull, or is that all we see of it? Also, is the saucer section circular or elliptical-wide?

Mark
 

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 

"Foolish lad. Almost any of those designs would've kicked the crap out of the Titan contest winner. And certainly out the runners up."

But he couldn't have entered, anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

I rather like where image no. 6 is going.
 

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Posted by Benjamin Peace (Member # 1939) on :
 
Seems this wonderfull thread was forgot, though I can't begin to figure out why. Gorgeous images here. Is Lobo still around?
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 

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Originally posted by Lobo:
Hi everybody,

I am currently working on a new Starship.
It's an early TNG ear ship.

Tell me what you think.

Lobo

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I like the front - but the nacelles have to be less... complicated. Too much going on. The back of them are very Sovereign-esque so that bucks the design lineage (This is why I don't subscribe to the First Contact ships being pre-TNG)

The nacelles need to be more rounded more Ambassador/Cheyenne/Galaxy esque. Stretched more maybe like you have done - to mirror an Excelsior influence or more probably an Enterprise-B Excelsior variant!

Otherwise very nice!
 

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Posted by Benjamin Peace (Member # 1939) on :
 
The 'USS Imaginus' got my attention. I think everything is perfect. I can see the evolution out of Excelsior design philosophy into a prerunner of Galaxy style design.

But the kilometer long....thing, seen here, keeps me comming back.
 

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Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
Nice fan ships you got there.
 

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Posted by Irishman (Member # 1188) on :
 
I find myself loving the uniqueness of it.
 

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Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
 
Since Lobo seems to be AWOL, one of you post-TOS schematicists should do some other views.
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
Hey, speaking of starships and Masao....
I so ripping you off, pallie!
Sorta.

I'm making a nice little model of your Avenger design...updated for the DS9 era.
I kept the ship the same size, figuring that miniaturization would allow the ship a crew of about 30 and still be able to kick ass as a cutter.

I'll post piccys as it finished up, but I wanted your permission/blessing just in case someone wants to cast it )you'd get one, of course).

Again, this is a departure from your work, but the infludence is clear.
 

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Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
 
Sure, Jason, sounds like a cool idea.
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
Kool.
 

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Posted by Bones McCoy (Member # 1480) on :
 
It looks like a Galaxy ate a Nova...
But I'm just bustin' chops.



I love it, especially the Nacelles. Truly original, but with enough design elements to still be recognised as a Fed design.

Kudos, and keep tweaking! I think you're on to something here.
 

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Posted by Lurker Emeritus (Member # 1888) on :
 
Shame Lobo doesn't seem to be around, but that won't stop me opining anyway!

First, this is a very nice design, very original with plenty of unique features. Well done!

The lip over the deflector (or round-down of the secondary hull or whatever) definately doesn't need a phaser strip. 90% of it's arc of fire would be restricted by the ship itself. Maybe it's my weird mind but this just leapt out at me at first glance.

I would like to see slightly more curvature around the deflector so that it blends a little more into the flat underside of the lip above it. This would separate the deflector slightly from the lip, promote the lines of the secondary hull, and make it look more like the deflector isn't being occluded in the same way that the phaser strip is.

I can't see where the torpedo tubes are, but they should definately go in the secondary hull, not in the traditional location on the neck. Trek ships always seem to be trying to fire these things through narrow slots bordered by big, important parts of their own ships hulls.

If the neck were shortened fore and aft so that the dark corrugated "throat" came back almost as far as the airlock on the side of the neck, then this would remove that very flat looking underside of the saucer and really give the ship a curvaceous, organic free flowing look. It would also help make the saucer separation look better as the underside of the saucers "belly" would not be interrupted. The neck would only attach at the flat area to the rear.

It's a great design and very impressive.
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
I've never understood why they dont just place the saucer's phaser ring around the saucer's rim?
It would cover both dorsal and ventral arcs that way.
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
And if you knock it out?

Mark
 

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Posted by Lurker Emeritus (Member # 1888) on :
 
Same problem as they have in real life. The best arcs of fire also offer a radar or electro-optical system the best possible horizon. Add to that the fact that sensors don't always weigh quite as much as weapons systems anyway, so you often can't put big guns or missile launchers in the same positions to start with. So, the sensor usually gets pride of place because while you may have the best possible position from which to shoot, it don't do you no good if you can't first see the target coming!

I understood that the edge of the saucer was the typical home of long range sensors. These particular items would therefore have a very high priority.

If the perfect coverage is what you're after than starfleet ships are a very poor shape. They should dispense with saucers, integrate both hulls into one long needle shape, keep the nacelle struts as short as possible and the nacelles as close to the hull as possible and mount three whopping big weapons: one in the nose and one top and bottom of the engineering section to cover the blind spots around the nacelles and over the stern, whilst also being able to fire ahead as well.

Basically a big flying phallus with a huge gun in the end

And like Mark says, if you put one on top and one on the bottom, you've got redundancy.
 

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Posted by Lobo (Member # 669) on :
 
Hello everyone!

I'm still alive and working and studying and what else people so do... I will try to finish that ship! But first I go to student party at my Uni...


Good bye

Thorsten... I mean Lobo
 

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
YES. Yes, GO to student party. And then find me a gorgeous large-breasted German girl (are there any other kinds anymnore) & send her to me.

I will open a club in a college town--perhaps this one--& call it "Student Party."
 

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Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :
 
She'd crush you between her mighty tutonic thighs if she's anything like the large-breasted germans i know (and that's just the ladies).
 

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Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
 

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Originally posted by Lurker Emeritus:


If the perfect coverage is what you're after than starfleet ships are a very poor shape. They should dispense with saucers, integrate both hulls into one long needle shape, keep the nacelle struts as short as possible and the nacelles as close to the hull as possible and mount three whopping big weapons: one in the nose and one top and bottom of the engineering section to cover the blind spots around the nacelles and over the stern, whilst also being able to fire ahead as well.

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Originally posted by The Ginger Beacon:
She'd crush you between her mighty tutonic thighs if she's anything like the large-breasted germans i know (and that's just the ladies).

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