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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Krenim</b> <br /><small>Member # 22</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2006,3,8,11,59,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 08, 2006</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:59 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I get bored.<br /><br />Often.<br /><br />So I occasionally just randomly type stuff into Google searches and see what I find.<br /><br />It's probably no shocker that those searches occasionally take a <i>Series ?</i> bend to them.<br /><br />Such searches usually only bring up Flare and MM's archive, but occasionally I'll find other allusions to it. Even people posting the stories on other sites (and thankfully being good enough people to give me credit).<br /><br />Today I made a <i>Series ?</i> related Google search that I never had before.<br /><br />Relativity-H.<br /><br />And I found <a href="http://www.lwg3d.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26212&goto=nextoldest" target="_blank">this</a>.<br /><br />Somebody was enough of a fan to retexture a <i>Defiant</i> mesh and an <i>Excelsior</i> mesh into the <i>Relativity</i>-H and the Shadow Armored <i>Excelsior</i>.<br /><br />Needless to say I find this awesome beyond words. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <br /><br />Intregued, I went to his website. He also has an awesome <a href="http://www.flangbgscifiart.org/Lightwave/Startrek/ST6.html" target="_blank">beauty shot</a> of the <i>Relativity</i>-H.<br /><br />If only I could get my hands on a beauty shot of the Shadow <i>Excelsior</i>, I could die a happy geek...<br /><br />Does anybody here already know this guy? Or know somebody who knows this guy? I figured I'd check first, before I send an e-mail out of nowhere to the guy asking about a pic he finished almost a year ago. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>MinutiaeMan</b> <br /><small>Member # 444</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2006,3,8,12,23,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 08, 2006</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:23 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Nope, I'm not familiar with him. I have to say, though, that I never imagined the <i>Relativity</i>-H to have so close a resemblance to the old <i>Defiant</i>... I always interpreted that to mean just the general layout of various components like the nacelles, the bridge, the impulse engines, the weapons, and the deflector. Those images just remind me of a resurfaced <i>Defiant</i> instead.<br /><br />(I say this without any criticism towards the artwork itself -- it's certainly far, far more than I could ever manage on my own!)<br /><br />Also, buried in my e-mail archives are a couple of very early WIP images of a Shadow hull-clad <i>Excelsior</i>. Unfortunately, I lost touch with the modeler who was doing the work, and it's <a href="http://www.st-minutiae.com/temp/eb5v3.jpg" target="_blank">very incomplete</a>. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" /> <br /><br />I, too, would dearly love to see someone do some serious visuals of the <i>Excelsior</i> with its complete Shadow armor hull, as well as a more original <i>Relativity</i>-H... <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The Mighty Monkey of Mim</b> <br /><small>Member # 646</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2006,3,8,22,36,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 08, 2006</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:36 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I thought it looked like <a href="http://flareupload.pleh.net/uploads/22/RelativityH.jpg" target="_blank">this</a>? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Krenim</b> <br /><small>Member # 22</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2006,3,9,5,28,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 09, 2006</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:28 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by MinutiaeMan:<br /><strong> Nope, I'm not familiar with him. I have to say, though, that I never imagined the <i>Relativity</i>-H to have so close a resemblance to the old <i>Defiant</i>... I always interpreted that to mean just the general layout of various components like the nacelles, the bridge, the impulse engines, the weapons, and the deflector. Those images just remind me of a resurfaced <i>Defiant</i> instead.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim:<br /><strong> I thought it looked like <a href="http://flareupload.pleh.net/uploads/22/RelativityH.jpg" target="_blank">this</a>? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, it <i>is</i> just a resurfaced <i>Defiant</i>, but for what it is, it's pretty close to how I imagine the coloring of the <i>Relativity</i>-H: Jet black hull offset by the lights from windows, nacelles, etc. Like MM said, it's certainly far more than I could ever do. I like it enough to have made it my current desktop.<br /><br />The pic MMoM (you people use too many M-words in your names! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> ) pointed out is what I <i>can</i> do with the resources available to me: MS Paint and Sharpie markers. Believe me, when I originally did this, I tried my hardest to hunt down a computer on campus that might have a decent art program on it; after all, they've got programs for every other subject. Alas, I couldn't find one. I'm still pretty happy with most of the aspects (especially the nacelles, I love how those came out), but it's obvious it's the product of inferior technology. Now that I'm out of school and making some money, I hope to afford a decent art program somewhere down the line, but the "Tiki mask" will have to do for now. <br /><br /> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by MinutiaeMan:<br /><strong> Also, buried in my e-mail archives are a couple of very early WIP images of a Shadow hull-clad <i>Excelsior</i>. Unfortunately, I lost touch with the modeler who was doing the work, and it's <a href="http://www.st-minutiae.com/temp/eb5v3.jpg" target="_blank">very incomplete</a>. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Wow. That would have been pretty nice had it been completed (although I'm not sure about the nacelles glowing <i>pink</i>). <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Mars Needs Women</b> <br /><small>Member # 1505</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2006,3,9,18,6,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 09, 2006</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:06 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> So the Relativity-H is a Defiant-class? I thought it was just like the Defiant in Uberness but not the same class. Woh, shocker. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Krenim</b> <br /><small>Member # 22</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2006,3,10,14,21,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 10, 2006</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:21 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Mars Needs Women:<br /><strong> So the Relativity-H is a Defiant-class? I thought it was just like the Defiant in Uberness but not the same class. Woh, shocker. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The <i>Relativity</i>-H is not <i>Defiant</i>-class. For one thing, the <i>R</i>-H is several orders of size bigger than a <i>Defiant</i> (about the same size as the <i>R</i>-G). For another, it incorporates a lot of <i>Aeon</i>/<i>Wells</i> elements. It resembles a <i>Defiant</i> in terms of hull shape, but not exactly. A recolored <i>Defiant</i> (like the one in this thread) gets close to my idea of what the <i>R</i>-H looks like, but not exactly.<br /><br />If you want to get technical about it, the <i>R</i>-H is <i>Relativity</i>-class. Although the <i>R</i>-H was a custom-built one-of-a-kind ship in the beginning, I imagine Starfleet has built more since. I seem to remember wanting to include a line to that effect in an episode, but I can't remember if I did or not. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>MinutiaeMan</b> <br /><small>Member # 444</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2006,3,10,17,46,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 10, 2006</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:46 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Nope, there's never been any mention of any other ships that look like the <i>Relativity</i>-H. Unless you have any plans to revive your idea of the official <i>Star Trek: Series ? Technical Manual</i>, that is... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Krenim</b> <br /><small>Member # 22</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2006,3,12,6,33,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 12, 2006</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:33 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by MinutiaeMan:<br /><strong> Nope, there's never been any mention of any other ships that look like the <i>Relativity</i>-H. Unless you have any plans to revive your idea of the official <i>Star Trek: Series ? Technical Manual</i>, that is... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That's another thing I won't get to until I get a decent art program. I want the <i>Series ?</i> Tech Manual to look like it belongs with the <i>TNG</i> and <i>DS9</i> ones... except that it'll make absolutely no sense. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Lee</b> <br /><small>Member # 393</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2006,3,12,8,24,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 12, 2006</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:24 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I'm still trying to come up with a workable design for a 29th-Century phaser rifle, given how fond the characters are of such things. Mind you, while I've been typing this I've just had a brainwave.<br /><br />To complicate matters, did the evil crew of the evil <i>Excelsior</i> ever carry rifles? Because if they did, they'd have to be TOS-Movie-era ones (which, again either don't exist or were never seen) wouldn't they, if they came from the <i>Excelsior's</i> armoury? Or did they stop off and nick some more-modern ones from somewhere? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Krenim</b> <br /><small>Member # 22</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2006,3,12,8,40,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 12, 2006</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:40 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Lee:<br /><strong>To complicate matters, did the evil crew of the evil <i>Excelsior</i> ever carry rifles? Because if they did, they'd have to be TOS-Movie-era ones (which, again either don't exist or were never seen) wouldn't they, if they came from the <i>Excelsior's</i> armoury? Or did they stop off and nick some more-modern ones from somewhere? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I believe the running joke for both crews was that they only carried around phaser rifles and nobody knew whatever happened to the normal phasers. <br /><br /><i>(Note to self: Include humorous explanation for lack of normal phasers if I ever get around to the Technical Manual.)</i><br /><br />I would assume any evil phaser rifles that the evil crew of the evil <i>Excelsior</i> had were originally from the <i>Excelsior</i>'s armory. However, more often than not, they were pulled out of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammerspace" target="_blank">hammerspace</a> when the need arose ("So-and-so whipped out a phaser rifle and shot whatever.") <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>MinutiaeMan</b> <br /><small>Member # 444</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2006,3,12,15,12,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 12, 2006</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:12 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Krenim:<br /><strong><i>(Note to self: Include humorous explanation for lack of normal phasers if I ever get around to the Technical Manual.)</i></strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Simple: by the 29th century, phaser technology had gotten so miniaturized that it was impossible to see with the human eye. Therefore, gigantic carrying frames were devised so that they'd be impossible to lose track of.<br /><br />That, and that pistol-sized phaser from "Future's End" looked just plain ridiculous. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Lee</b> <br /><small>Member # 393</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2006,3,13,0,32,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 13, 2006</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:32 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> In which case you're probably not going to like my rifle variant. . .<br /><br />(But, OK, so that spares me at least from trying to develop a rifle based on any of the three movie phasers. Perhaps, in an in-jokey-annoying way, the altrernative could be a re-use of the MACO rifle which does after all look like a rifle-version of the EM-33 which looks like it's a rip-off of the Assault Phaser) <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>MinutiaeMan</b> <br /><small>Member # 444</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2006,3,13,8,23,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 13, 2006</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:23 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well Lee, I just don't like the 29th century phaser because it seems so frikkin' HUGE! If they'd made it smaller, it would've seemed more reasonable compared to the small, sleek models introduced in <i>First Contact</i>. But a rifle won't have that problem because it's supposed to be huge. <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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