Anyone who has an ounce of drawing ability out there, this is for all of you. I'm working on a ship design. Contemporary era-plus (late 24th C.). I don't want to give specifics until I'm further along, but I need help with the frikkin' nacelles. I want something of the stubby nacelle philosophy of Probert and Sternbach (to reflect technological progress), rather than the long, skinny nacelles of the Excelsior and Sovereign. If you use a Sovvie silhouette to work from, it'll give you enough of a sense of the ship's proportions. Anyone who gives me something I can use will get co-designer credit if they wish, even if I end up modifying the hell out of what is offered.
Thanks in advance, guys.
--Jonah
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
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Thanks a heap, guys. I'll keep trying on my own, I guess...
--Jonah
Posted by Shakaar (Member # 1782) on :
I would be willing to assist in whatever means you require. *bows*
You wish for four views of a nacelle?
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
I wish for something in the stubby TNG/VOY style that might work with a Sovereign.
--Jonah
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Err, if you can sketch something, I can take a crack at it. I guess I'm just not really getting what you're talking about.
eh?
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
Well, saying I want Galaxy nacelles on a Sovereign hull is a bit simplistic, but start there. Short nd massive, not long and skinny. Tapering toward the front or not at all, not the back. And get away from the Sovereign design cues. Probert and Sternbach have both said they used stubby nacelles to show the technological dvances between the late film era and the TNG era. I want something other than a foreshortened Sovereign nacelle. I just mentioned that class (as you can read in my first post) to give an idea of hull configuration and saucer orientation.
Jason, I like that ship. It isn't remorely what I'm looking for, but I like it...
--Jonah
Posted by bX (Member # 419) on :
No need to get snippy. Your new message is more clear. You want someone to design more advanced Galaxy-esque, fatty-bomblatty, fore-tapered nacelles for the top-secret hull design you've devised/are devising which has a hull-configuration something similar to the swoopy, forward-canted profile of a Sovereign. Got it.
Meh?
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Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
There's a design someone did that I really like, where the basically took the Galaxy, rotated the saucer 90 degrees, and shortened the neck significantly. There was a lot more to it than that since there were some significant detail changes, but that was the gist of it. I wish I could remember who did it, but I think it was called either Pathfinder or Frontier.
B.J.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Heh..hehhehheh...hahahahaha....
Oh, AAAAAdaaammm...!
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
OK, so I just whipped these out here at the lab on a scrap sheet...
Not so great with ramscoops covers, & also I left out a lot of deatils because...well, we're looking for over all design. Personally, I dig the 2 on the right.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
*summons The Vorlon*
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Posted by bX (Member # 419) on :
That there, is a really nice ship.
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Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
YES! That's it! *drool*
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
quote:Originally posted by B.J.: YES! That's it! *drool*
Very nice... but i'd take the phaser strips from utop the the nassels themselves (dont think there is enough room for the mechanism, plus its in vasinity of the warp coils....
but i could be wrong (i think TMP era nassels have phaser turrets at the extreme ends...)
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
I think we've all done the "turn the saucer 90 degrees" thing, except in my case, & left the huge shuttlebay doors port & starboard for a nice big fly-through bay.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
They're the most phallic nacelles I've ever seen, but they're nice.
I like the idea of torpedo launchers in the nacelle rests, too. This ship would be a better match against Shinzon, perhaps. Though not if it is as sluggish as the 1701-D was against the Duras-sisters...
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
quote:Originally posted by Nim: They're the most phallic nacelles I've ever seen, but they're nice.
I like the idea of torpedo launchers in the nacelle rests, too. This ship would be a better match against Shinzon, perhaps. Though not if it is as sluggish as the 1701-D was against the Duras-sisters...
oh Come! a Dreadnaught verses a BoP, regardless of its current size, should have won... getting hit in Engineering? crap! tilt, expose fresh armor and SHOT the fuck out of it....
*pants* Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Yes, but the turning rate we saw of the 1701-D in Generations (and the Galaxy-class vessel in that DS9-ep, firing at the cardassian weapon stations) wouldn't have been able to follow the reman warbird, methinks. Not that it would've mattered, of course, as long as Shinzon still would've parked himself infront of it to gloat, getting set up for the deflowering.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
WOO! Thanks, all. I am freshly inspired to scribble. Shik, Shakaar, and Balaam? Thank you. It's nice to see what other minds come up with. I'll pay attention to which element(s) I steal from which drawing, that I may credit you properly. Shik? Go ahead and use the two nacelle designs you like for your own endeavours. I have enough to work with here without getting greedy.
Vorlon? That is indeed a gorgeous ship. I almost wish that was what we had in TNG... Again, I won't steal anything from such a thoroughly-developed design, but I wonder if I might incorporate it into the backstory of the design I'm working on?
As for the Enterprise vs. BoP debate. *sigh* There's nothing you can do when the writers are against you. They wanted to be rid of that model, and didn't give enough of a shit to let her go out well. By rights a single full volley of ten torpedoes would have done the trick nicely. Of course, if they'd bothered to take a look at Geordi's VISOR... *sigh*
--Jonah
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Indeed, I never gave that a second thought. I do however think that the letting go of the Galaxy class for the no.1 spot was a conscious decision, as it was a part of an older, more sluggish space-battle tradition.
My favorite example is the battle between Gowron's Vor'cha and the two Duras BoP:s in "Redemption". That had to go. Ironically, the fastest I think we've ever seen the 1701-D go was in the very last episode, with the three-nacelle version charging the Voodiehs and passing through the wreckage of one. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Pensive's Wetness:
quote:(dont think there is enough room for the mechanism, plus its in vasinity of the warp coils....
Just heighten the surface they're placed on, like on the USS Venture, problem solved.
Posted by The Vorlon (Member # 52) on :
Thanks for the comments, everyone. It's been a LONG time since I've displayed the Frontier. I did some digging and found some more beauty shots I rendered several years ago (Jan 2001!). Hope you enjoy... Too bad I don't know where Fabio is anymore, giving this thing an update, or a fresh build would be kickass...
Oh, Note to Nitpickers: Pay no attention to the shadows cast by the phasers! They're apparently distant relatives of to Vader's and Obiwan's lightsabers fron ANH...
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
/me Drools Me likes THAT pic, phaser shadows and all Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
After seeing Beauty Shot 1 - I think THIS should have been the Enterprise E!!
It fits PERFECTLY with the "Technology Unchained" Idea - and looks like a great mesh of a Galaxy and Intrepid and a Sovereign.
One bit I don't like - the bussard collector area - it's too... busy. Maybe more simplified - less little 'lines'.
Andrew
P.S. Maybe this could make a good Bradbury Class?
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
Nah... Vradbury felt... smaller in the dialogue. I just got the impression that it was a testbed for condensed/miniaturised tech. I like to think she was where the bioneural gelpacks first saw service.
But that's just me.
--Jonah
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
You know what would make that way more awesome? Not being an inline image.
Also, the up-&-down pylons are seriously fucking up the lines.
Posted by bX (Member # 419) on :
Errr, yeah, I don't get it. You mean that from a rear profile the pylons are more of a U than a V? Because from the side they're anything but straight up and down. Why I'd go so far as to say they're pretty.
I don't think there's any getting around the fact that the Frontier is a really nice design and that this model is very well executed. Mmm, execution. I would have missed the phaser shadows probably (too busy loving the highlights off the specularity map), but now they've been called out, they do bother me.
Also I can't speak for any of the others Jonas, but I'll be very curious to see what you're working on when you're ready to show us. (C'est moi, Balaam Xumucane, only more abbreviated)
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I've got one more thing that I'd like to see tweeked... move the nacelles apart a fraction - maybe line up with the edges of the saucer?? At the moment it feels a little too... confined?? or something.
Andrew
P.S. Of course, feel free to ignore all of my suggestions etc.
Posted by Shakaar (Member # 1782) on :
Very cool indeed, but somehow I ponder there has been a trade off between being able to see the neat blue warp plasma lighting at the expense of having the warp nacelle well armored.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
*whistles innocently*
*heh* Don't worry, Shakaar. I know exactly what you mean.
Balaam, I know who you are (but you don't seem to be able to remember my name ). This is a design I first came up with back in the Spring of 1989, and have been exploring and refining ever since, I now have the body of the ship almost locked, and am working on the deckplans (rough at first, just to help me with window placement). The lack of nacelles has bugged me almost since the beginning. Now that I'm getting this close to finalising the surface detailing, I want to have some engines to put in place, too...
--Jonah
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
quote:bX queried: You mean that from a rear profile the pylons are more of a U than a V?
Thats' exactly what I mean. And a very close-together U at that. Makes it all..odd lookin'. But...not my shop, so.
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I'll keep trying on my own, I guess...![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Me likes THAT pic, phaser shadows and all