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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Okay, the local PBS station has been showing Red Dwarf, and they got about halfway through season 5. Then they got the season 8 eps, so they showed those. Then they went back to, I guess, where they left off, but there's something odd. The ep they showed this past Sunday (the first one they showed after running season 8) was the one where Rimmer was infected by that holographic virus. The couple of times that they showed the ship, it looked like they had cut out the entire middle and just stuck the front and back ends to each other. Now, the first four-and-a-half seasons had a really long ship. The eighth season had a really long ship. So why did this ep have such a short one?

Oh, and can someone fill me on how Kochanski got to be there (whenever that happened), and why the ship had to be rebuilt by nanites (mentioned at beginning of season 8), since I never saw those eps?

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

OK, the ship you saw, i assume you're talking about the red dwarf, in season 1-4 and season 8 (the long version) is the CGI version, new to season 8 and new for you're 1-4 - cause they re-did all the season 1-4 effects, using a CGI red dwarf, and the season 5 episode you saw (with mr flibble

) is a model.

they also took out a few of the jokes in the redone seasons 1-4 for effects, which I think sucks, plus I liked the old red dwarf - not the new fangled season 8 CGI version, also Kochanski that you see sporadically in seasons 1-6 is C.P. Grogan, a different actress from Clo� Annette, who came through a dimension rift in mid season 7

the nano's stole red dwarf before start of season 6 (but we don't find that out until the end of season 7) cause season 6 and 7 are on the starbug.

Andrew
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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

The short ship (well, short for 5 miles) was the original model. It was used for the first 5 seasons, then blown up (for real) in Demons and Angels. RD itself wasn't in seasons 6 or 7 (bar the end). At some point last year, the BBC deceided to remake the early episodes (seasons 1-3 so far) to add some SFX and fix some mistakes. (also to make the epidoes visually more similar to make them more appealable to the American market). To do new space shots they built a new model of Red Dwarf, which was much longer (still 5 miles though). This was also the model used in season 8. Since they haven't redone (remastered) seasons 4 or 5, they still have the original model (which most UK fans prefer). And they also look like they were shot on video (they were) whereas season 1-3 have been digitally altered to look more like film.
Seasons 1 and 2 also originall yhad a different opening. Lister painting the sid eof the ship, the pull back, the solo trumpet, but the music stayed ominious, big organ version, depressing. It was excellent. season 3 introduced the guitar version. Seasons 1-3 now have a mixed version of both themes, while seasons 4-8 just use the fast-paced rock version version.

Kockanski is actually a parallel dimension kockanski introduced in s7 after Rimmer left. (which is why she looks like Chloe Annet instead of Clair grogan, and doesn't have a Scottish accent).

The ship dissappeared at the beginning of s6, apparently stolen. At the end of s7, is turned out that Kryten's nano-bots had stolen it and shrunk it to the size of a nanometre. They then returned it.
Although I think s8 has said taht it was Holly who actually made some new nano-bots and built an entirely NEW Red Dwarf. I'm not sure.

That explains why Rimmer is on it, since he isn't dead, he's the original before he died. It doesn't explain though why Lister of Kockanski haven't been ressurected though. (The originals)

The ep you're talking about is Quarantine BTW, season 5.

Unless they've redone them, onyle s1-3 had a long ship, not 4 and a half. You're obviosly mad young man. So says Mr Flibble, King of the Potato people.

(my field of expertise ladies and gentlemen. And I beat DT)

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Although Andrew beat me.

Listen, SEASON 4 HAS THE ORIGINAL RD!

BTW, the new Red Dwarf isn't CGI-ed. It's a physical model. Although a good few of the Starbug and almost all the Blue Midget shots are now CGI-ed. They're just being forced to use lower quality film.

Andrew's answer may have been shorter, but mine was full of choclatey goodness.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Well, before this week, I had seen almost all of seasons one through half of five, and I had never seen the short ship until "Quarantine".

And I wondered, too, why Kochanski hadn't been resurrected. I figured that the one they had must've been the original. But, if that's not true, then it is strange... However, the reason Lister wasn't resurrected is probably because he never died... ;-)

BTW, I think I prefer the new Kochanski to the old one... :-)

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

Red Dwarf: What I likes...

I like the Season 1/2 music opening
I like the old Red Dwarf (not the new sleeker one)
I like the old Kochanski (C.P. Grogan) although Clo� Annette is pretty good

I like Holly Female (but Holly Male is close behind)
I like the original unremasted episodes
I like the old skutters although there's not much difference...

anyone else?

Andrew

Anyone for a Worm-do?

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Male Holly is may fav character. No-one can say 'In computer jargon, my plans have gone tits-up' quite like him.

I prefer the older RD. It looks bigger to me.

I like the older eps.

I prefered the original s1/2 music (Andrew, did you mean the old or new s1/2 music?)

I can't tell the difference in the Skutters.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

I've only heard the one theme song, so I don't know about that.

The male Holly is definitely better than the female one.

I like the longer ship. When I saw the short one, my first thought was "What the hell is that stubby little thing?!"

I didn't know there was any difference in the scutters, either. And which way is it spelled? I always assumed it was w/ a 'c', and I think it looks better that way... :-)

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

I've always been partial to The Cat.

"Is that what I think it is?"

"I don't know, what do you think it is?"

"A big orange swirly thing in space!"

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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :

The skutters are new models but the same design, constructed to be a bit more versatile as props. The design, as I say, is essentially the same - the bodies are construction hardhats!

And I'm still deciding on the new direction of RD. As for Kochanski, I'd have though Grogan might have got annoying after a while (although I didn't mind her when she was on Eastenders) - Annett seems a bit vague, sometimes, however. . .

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

ok as for the sk(c)utter thingy, yeah, there is no real difference I was trying to make my list a bit longer

with the holly's no real difference...

the music, i meant for the original season 1/2 eps, I like the old original orchestral music... with no new... its cold outside...

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Posted by Brown_supahero (Member # 83) on :

In Season 8 when they resurrected the crew, why didn't the nanos resurrected the Kochanski of that universe also

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

And Lister...

Well, because it was actually Holly who created thses nano-bots (if I followed In The Red, which wasn't easy), and go them to recreate RD and the crew, so maybe he told them to leave out Krissy and Lister.

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