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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

I put the spoiler signs in so we could speak freely. The movie isn't out, and if you haven't read the books, well, your loss. For the movie so far we have;

Frodo- Elijah Wood
Sam- Sean Astin
Gandalf- Ian McKellen
Bilbo- Ian Holm
Pippin- Billy Boyd
Aragorn- Viggo Mortensen
Arwen- Liv Tyler
Merry- Dominic Monaghan
Legolas- Orlando Bloom
Gimli- John Rhys Davies
Saruman- Christopher Lee
Boromir- Sean Bean
Faramir- Ethan Hawke
Ted Sandyman- Brian Sergent

Ringbearer has moved, and the bombidil campaign seems to be over, since filming has begun.
http://fandom.com/ringbearer/

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

well I registered to save Tom Bombadil...

I think its FANTASTIC that Ian McKellan SP?? is doing Gandalf - I recently saw Gods and Monsters - he was fantastic - absolutely great - now we just need Patrick Stewart as Saruman.

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

Ohhhhhh what a great site - I'm book marking it

Elija Wood!!!!!!1 - I don't know about you but he LOOKS so much like Frodo from The Animated movie... wow!

Its filming in New Zealand - although I'm in Australia - I wonder how I would go about being an extra!?! - I'd love to be in the Inn at Bree!

wow.

Elbereth Gilthoniel
(now that was from memory )

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

I think I agree with The First One. What exactly does Bombadil do to advance the movie's storyline? And this is a movie, remember. His inclusion would have little to do with the overall plot of the film, and take time away from the rest of the story.

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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :

The whole nature of the storytelling evolves throught the book. . . the sudden dip straight into the more fantastic realms just after they leave the Shire does tend to jar a bit when looked at that way. . . However, some important information is supplied during their stay in the Old Forest, and if you lose Bombadil you lose the Barrow Wight and then you lose the Knife of Westernesse which is the ultimate downfall of the Lord of the Nazgul. Plus Frodo's similar misadventure on Weathertop when his knife perishes. So I feel conflicted about Bombadil, now.

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

The "problem" with Bombadil is that he's a rather vague and complex character. However, all of that is merely hinted at in the book, and no answers are ever really raised. I don't see how you can translate that to film without spending much more time on the character than the book did, relatively speaking. But by doing that you get even further from the book, in which he was never more than an intriguing minor character.

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Posted by Mycon on :

Am I the only one who has serious doubts about the movie project? I don't believe that a book like LotR can make a satisfying movie. I fear that it will become a gicantic FX-orgy with stupid dialogues and simplifications to make even the ignorants happy who haven't read the book or hate it. Everyone has another approach to read and enjoy this book. Personally, I especially enjoyed the dark atmosphere of The Silmarillion and The Lost Tales and the dark chapters in the main trilogy. "Thou shall not stand between the Nazg�l and his prey. Or else...." etc. This is pure, written magic!!! (gets enthusiastic). But I think that the movie will concentrate on romance and huge FX-battles. I cannot imagine how they can show the desperation and horror of the people of Gondor under the spell of the Nazg�ls flying over Minas Tirith. I doubt that the movie will catch the magic of the written word. Does everyone of you know the movie Dune (of course you do, this is an SciFi-Forum

) Nearly everybody I know hates the movie, but I love its bizarre, dark, somewhat anticommercial approach. Lynch should do the LotR-Movie! Most of the people would hate it, but the real lovers of the book who have read the Forestories and have studied the maps hour for hour would be satisfied. (I'm sorry for the disastrous grammar and spelling)

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

I'll give David Lynch credit for trying with"Dune", but it was not a good movie. At least with Lord of the Rings, it will be three movies, instead of trying to crowd it all into one.

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

A friend of mine told me that, in one of the books that I haven't read, "Tales" perhaps, it was explained that Tom Bombadil was one of the Miar(My-are),Can't remember the spelling. It's been a while since I've read any of the books. Anyway, he was one of the same people as Gandalf, but Bombadil had "gone native" living as one of the other races would live. There were others of their race in middle earth. Sauraman was one, who went bad, The one who wore the brown robes(Raglin or something like that) two who had gone into Saron's lands, and never returned.

I'm about to change service providers at home, as soon as I can get that mess straightened out, I'll look up some of the names, and get back to this.

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

Yes Kosh, he was supposedly a Maia who had 'gone native' There were the Valar - i.e. Manwe, Yavanna, Aule, Melkor etc. there were also the Maiar - of which we know Gandalf, Saruman, Radagast (Brown robes) Sauron, and the two unnamed Blue robed Istari were.

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

Stuart Townsend is now listed as Aragorn. He looks much to young in the picture. I checked IMBd. I've never heard of any of the films listed.

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

Ringbearer.com is reporting that Chirstopher Lee is in final negotiations for the role of Saruman.

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Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :

Christopher Lee, huh? I can see it, but I never pictured Saruman being that thin.

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

Liv Tyler has signed!!

http://www.scifiweekly.com/issue124/news.html

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Scary.

But if they had to cast someone from Inventing the Abbots, why not Jennifer Connelly? She's got a dreamy quality about her that would fit in nicely, I think.

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Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :

Dominic Monaghan = Merry.

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

Rigbearer reports that two more actors are signed.

Legolas-Orlando Bloom

Gimli-John Rhys Davies Yeah, he's to tall, but may be the best actor signed so far!!

I'm starting to look forward to this, hope they don't screw it up.

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Posted by Jubilee (Member # 99) on :

I wonder who they'll get to play Galadriel.

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

I've been wondering the same thing, any ideas???

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

Portia de Rossi from Ally McBeal - well she has the hair for it

Or maybe Gwynneth Paltrow!?!

Who would be Celeborn, or Elrond, or Radagast, or Faramir, or Theoden, or Treebeard, or Eomer, or Glorfindel, or Fatty Bolger, or Lobelia Sackville-Baggins or Butterbur or Goldberry or Cirdan or...

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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :

Michelle Pfeiffer. It'd be a neat cameo.

And no Bombadil, therefore no Goldberry.

Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

Michelle Pfeiffer would be nice, she can act, and still has the beauty. The Ally girls are to young, but since they are going with a lot of people who look to young...

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Posted by Jubilee (Member # 99) on :

*returns briefly*

Michelle Pfiefer did an excellent job as Titania in Midsummer Night's Dream this summer.... She could play a good Galadriel.. *nods*

And *frowns about not including Bombadil*.. WE NEED HIM in the movie!... And Goldberry was equally important, in a sense.

Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

After watching Ally last week, and figureing out which was Portia, yes, she could do it too.

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

Two more!!

Ethan Hawke- Faramir
Brian Sergent- Ted Sandyman

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

These are unconfirmed, Ringbearer says they will be confirmed on Friday.

Galadriel- Cate Blanchett
Wormtongue- Brad Dourif
Theoden- Kevin Conway
Pictures of Blanchett and Dourif are at ringbearer, under NEWS.
Didn't Dourif play Lon Suder on Voyager? I went to look it up, but Yahoo stoped responding, and I need to go do some work.
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Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :

You know, Brad Dourif might actually make a better Wormtongue than Jeff Combs...

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

Ah, the press release!!
http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue130/news.html

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

Stuart Townsand has been sacked, because of "director-actor creative chemistry" According to an article posted at ringbearer. replaceing Townsand in the role of Aragorn is Viggo Mortensen, an older man, who has had roles in "Awake on the Moon", "Portrait of a Lady" and played a navy seal in "G.I.Jane"

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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :

YEE-HAH!!!

Viggo Mortensen I'll buy. . . he was also in "Crimson Tide" and Sean Penn's "The Indian Runner."

This is - well, could be - excellent news. Up yours, you barely-able-to-shave Irish prettyboy! 8)

Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

Viggo is not an "old man"!!!

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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :

Older man. . .

Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

I've never seen him, but Ringbearer (Joram)agrees with First One. Says Viggo looks the part, and is a good actor.

Sad, they have barley begun to shoot, and are two days behind, because of the sacking.

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

Ringbearer has moved to:
http://fandom.com/ringbearer/

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

I'm bringing this back to the top, to go along with the other thread.

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

YUK, YUK, YUK, BLEGGHH, AAAARRRRGGGHHH!
John Rhys-Davies as Gimli!! I never ever imagined Gimli looking like a big fat Pavarotti-looking overweight out-of-shape hamburger eating guy

Viggo Mortensen as Aragorn is good!
Galadriel is OK, too.
Sean Bean as Boromir is totally awesome! The pefect type!

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Hm... Apparently everyone already knew that Dourif was playing Wormtongue. I guess I didn't need to point it out in the other thread...

And I agree about Rhys-Davies. Even if they shortne him the same way they do the hobbits, he does not look like a dwarf...

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

Off-topic:

Did you know Colm Meaney (sp??), O'Brien, played a drwaf as well in a movie (saw in on German TV last week, don't know the English title).

Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

Davies is a fine actor, and will do well in the role. Short and round is the way the Dwarfs were discribed in the books.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Erm... I think dwarves are supposed to be muscular, not "round"...

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

Yes THESE are dwarves. I don't see any big fat Americans (no offence) walking here!

Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

Tutt Tutt... that is Dragonlance/TSR/AD&D NOT The Lord Of The Rings... AD&D has pointed ears on the elves etc... it ISN'T Tolkien.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Tolkien's elves didn't have pointed ears? Hm...

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

nup.

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Posted by Diane (Member # 53) on :

Uh...what DO they look like then? Enlighten me.

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

Graceful and Lithe people... Go to theonering.net there is some speculation that there is a similar Quenya word for ear which has a similar part to the word leaf... so maybe they could be a little pointed but there seems to be no description by Tolkien anywhere in tLotR or tH or tS that mentions pointed ears for elves. Supposedly in one of JRRT's letters he mentions that Hobbits have slightly pointed ears and a jolly ruddish complexion... nicely followed if anyone's seen Elija Wood in the preview...

Andrew

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

Hmmm, maybe Elves are proto-Vulcans, too